Rotational Motion and Conservation of Energy

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the conservation of energy in the context of rotational motion, specifically focusing on a uniform solid sphere rolling up an incline after moving horizontally. The participants are tasked with calculating the height attained by the sphere as it rolls up an incline with a specified angle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between kinetic and potential energy, questioning the inclusion of rotational kinetic energy in their calculations. Some participants attempt to apply conservation of energy principles, while others express confusion over their results and seek clarification on their reasoning.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem with various attempts to apply energy conservation principles. Some participants have provided alternative calculations and questioned the assumptions made regarding rotational energy. Guidance has been offered regarding the moment of inertia for a uniform solid sphere, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are working under the assumption that friction can be ignored, and there is a lack of consensus on the correct approach to incorporate rotational kinetic energy into their calculations. The original poster mentions a provided answer, which has led to confusion among participants regarding its validity.

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Homework Statement


A uniform solid sphere rolls on a horizontal surface at 20m.s^-1 and then rolls up an incline which has an angle on inclination of 30°. Ignoring friction, calculate the height attained by the sphere.


Homework Equations


Weren't given any specific equations to work with but here are some I've attempted to use:
Ek(lin)= 1/2 mv^2, Ek(rot)=1/2 Iw^2, Ep=mgh, Vf=Vi+at, D=Vi t + 1/2 at^2


The Attempt at a Solution


As it is a uniform sphere I ignored Ek(rot). We were given an answer of 29m.

E(before)=E(after)
Ek+Ep=Ek+Ep
1/2mv^2 +mgh= 1/2mv^2 +mgh (masses cancel)
0.5x20^2 + 9.8x0 = 0.5 (20/cos30)^2 + 9.8h Not sure if this is the right one to use
200 = 266.67 + 9.8h
-66.67 = 9.8h
h= - 6.8

So I tried looking at just the vertical component:
Vf=Vi+at
0=(20tan30) + 9.8 t
9.8t=11.55
t=1.18s

D=Vi t + 1/2 at^2
D=11.55 x 1.18 + 0.5 x 9.8 x 1.18^2
D= 20.41m

Does anyone see where I went wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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AikiGirl said:

The Attempt at a Solution


As it is a uniform sphere I ignored Ek(rot). We were given an answer of 29m.

Uniformity does not mean ignorable rotational energy.

ehild
 
I still can't get the right answer?

Ek(rot) + Ek(lin) +Ep = Ek(rot) + Ek(lin) +Ep
1/2 Iw^2 + 1/2mv^2 +mgh = 1/2 Iw^2 + 1/2mv^2 +mgh
1/2 r^2(v^2)/(r^2) + 1/2 v^2 +0 = 0 + 0 + 9.8h
1/2 x 20^2 + 1/2 x 20^2 =9.8h
200+200 = 9.8h

h=40.8m

Is that right working??
 
AikiGirl said:
I still can't get the right answer?

Ek(rot) + Ek(lin) +Ep = Ek(rot) + Ek(lin) +Ep
1/2 Iw^2 + 1/2mv^2 +mgh = 1/2 Iw^2 + 1/2mv^2 +mgh
1/2 r^2(v^2)/(r^2) + 1/2 v^2 +0 = 0 + 0 + 9.8h
1/2 x 20^2 + 1/2 x 20^2 =9.8h
200+200 = 9.8h

h=40.8m

Is that right working??

Not quite. What's the moment of inertia for a uniform solid sphere?
 
According to wiki it's I = (2mr^2)/5

So,

1/2 x 2/5 x 20^2 + 200 =9.8h
280=9.8h
h=28.57m

:D
 

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