Rough Inclined Plane - Find Coefficient of friction

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a block of mass 2kg on a rough inclined plane at an angle of 30°, where the block is in limiting equilibrium with a horizontal force of 20N applied. The objective is to find the coefficient of static friction between the block and the plane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, including the forces acting on the block and the equations derived from those forces. There is a focus on the algebraic manipulation of the equations and the assumptions made regarding the direction of the friction force.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified potential errors in the original poster's algebra and assumptions, particularly regarding the direction of the friction force. There is an acknowledgment of mistakes made during calculations, and guidance has been offered to reconsider the interpretation of the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about whether the issue lies in their understanding of the problem or in their algebraic manipulation. There is a recognition that the coefficient of friction must be a positive value, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


a block of mass 2kg is in at rest on a rough plane inclined at 30°, it is in limiting equilibrium with with a force of 20N applied horizontally (to the ground).

Find the coefficient of static friction between the block and the plane.

The Attempt at a Solution


<br /> R=mgcos30+20sin30\\<br /> .\\<br /> mgsin30-μR=20cos30\\<br /> mgsin30-μmgcos30+μ20sin30=20cos30\\<br /> 9.8-16.97μ+10μ=17.32\\<br /> 9.8-26.97μ=17.32\\<br /> -26.97μ=7.52\\<br /> μ=-0.28\\<br />
Now I now my answer cannot be minus something as 0<μ<1, however, I am unsure as to whether it is my understanding of the question or the algebra I have got wrong. I am sure its a silly mistake, it usually is with me but any help or advice is greatly appreciated.
 
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FaraDazed said:
<br /> R=mgcos30+20sin30\\<br /> <br /> mgsin30-μR=20cos30\\<br /> mgsin30-μmgcos30+μ20sin30=20cos30\\
When you substituted the two terms of R, only one of them got the minus sign.
 
It looks like that was just a typo on your part and that your calculation did carry the minus sign throughout.

But you made an assumption about the direction of the friction force that may not be justified. Try interpreting the problem like so: If that 20 N force were any greater, the block would start to slide up the incline.
 
Thanks for your help I just realized my silly mistake. Yeah I carried the minus sign through but it wasnt a typo it was a stupid mistake lol, I was saying to myself (as I was doing the problem) that if its going to be pushed up then the frictional force is in the opposite direction but still put -uR instead of + and even after looking at it a hundred times couldn't think what was wrong, as I was getting wrong answers (positive ones) to begin with so when I finally get the correct figure (only by luck) but minus it, I couldn't see where I went wrong.
 
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