Round 3-sphere symmetries as subspace of 4D Euclidean space

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The discussion revolves around the symmetries of a round 3-sphere as a submanifold of 4D Euclidean space, specifically focusing on the application of Killing vector fields (KVFs) and the nature of rotations in this context. Participants explore the relationship between the ambient space's symmetries and those applicable to the 3-sphere, considering both theoretical implications and mathematical representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that in 4D Euclidean space, there are 10 linearly independent KVFs, but only 6 can apply to a round 3-sphere due to its dimensionality.
  • Another participant asserts that the applicable symmetries are purely rotational, implying that the 4 translational KVFs do not apply as they exit the 3-sphere.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of rotation matrices in 4D, with one participant emphasizing the skew-symmetric nature of the infinitesimal generators of rotations.
  • Some participants mention the need to count distinct rotation possibilities and the relationship between rotations around pairs of orthogonal axes in 4D.
  • One participant claims that the Lie algebra of rotation matrices in 4D forms a 6-dimensional vector space, supporting the idea that the 6 non-translation KVFs correspond to the symmetries of the 3-sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the applicable symmetries to the 3-sphere are rotations, but there is some contention regarding the complexity of the mathematical representation and the counting of distinct rotation matrices. The discussion remains unresolved on the specifics of how to approach the representation of these rotations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express differing views on the complexity of the mathematical treatment of rotations in 4D, with some suggesting a straightforward approach while others advocate for a more detailed exploration of the underlying algebraic structures.

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About the symmetries of round 3-sphere as subspace of the ambient 4d euclidean space
As follow up of this thread in Special and General Relativity subforum, I'd like to better investigate the following topic.

Consider the 4d euclidean space in which there are 10 ##\mathbb R##-linear independent KVFs. Their span at each point is 4 dimensional (i.e. at any point they span the entire tangent space). Now take an hypersurface of dimension 3, for instance a round 3-sphere about the origin (0,0,0,0).

Since it is a 3 dimensional restriction of the "ambient" 4d euclidean space, the maximum number of symmetries that, let me say, it may "support" is 3*4/2 = 6. Therefore, from the full set of 10 "ambient symmetries", only up to 6 of them can apply to it.

In the case of round 3-sphere, which subset of the 10 KVFs ambient symmetries actually apply to it ? The round 3-sphere should be a maximally symmetric space, therefore I believe 6 of them should apply. However, the 4 ambient translational KVFs do not apply since they basically "exit" from the 3-sphere itself as submanifold.

What about the other 6 KVFs of the ambient 4d euclidean space ?
 
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They're just the rotations. Think of writing a 4×4 rotation matrix - how many ways are there to place the non-zero terms?
 
Ibix said:
They're just the rotations. Think of writing a 4×4 rotation matrix - how many ways are there to place the non-zero terms?
I believe you're actually talking of the 4x4 infinitesimal matrix generators of rotations in 4D that are skew-symmetric (and not of the matrix representatives of the rotations themselves). Then there are 6 non-zero terms in each of them (i.e. 6 degree of freedom). Basically any rotation in 4D occurs as combination of rotations around pairs of orthogonal axes and not just around a 1D straight line as in 3D.
 
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cianfa72 said:
and not of the matrix representatives of the rotations themselves
You're overcomplicating it. This is a Euclidean space. Just write down the rotation matrices and count how many distinct possibilities there are.
 
Ibix said:
This is a Euclidean space. Just write down the rotation matrices and count how many distinct possibilities there are.
I found here the set of 6 basis rotating matrices for a generic rotation in 4D euclidean space. Each of those matrix subscripts represent a rotation on the plane being rotated (i.e. the orthogonal axes to those planes are left fixed by the rotation including their linear combination). And yes, any rotation in 4D can be given as combination of those 6, so it depends on 6 parameters ##\theta##.

Therefore I believe each of those basis rotating matrices has a degenerate eigenvalue 1 (i.e. its eigenspace has dimension 2).
 
This is trivial. The Lie algebra of the rotation matrices in 4D is anti-symmetric real matrices. It is evident that they constitute a 6-dimensional vector space.
 
Orodruin said:
The Lie algebra of the rotation matrices in 4D is anti-symmetric real matrices. It is evident that they constitute a 6-dimensional vector space.
Ok. Since ##\text{det} (e^A)= e^{\text{tr}(A)}## then the exponential of a Lie algebra element has det 1 (as any element of ##SO(4)## must have). And yes, the set of 4x4 skew-symmetric matrices has a vector space structure of dimension 6.

Therefore the 6 non translation KVFs of 4D euclidean space, are the 6 rotation KVFs symmetries that apply to any 3-sphere.
 

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