Row operations performed on two matrices

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The discussion revolves around the properties of row operations performed on matrices, specifically how these operations affect a second matrix when the same operations are applied. The focus is on understanding the relationship between the row reduction of one matrix to the identity matrix and the resulting transformation of another matrix.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the result of applying row operations to matrix B does not depend on the specific entries of B, as long as the same operations are applied as those used to reduce matrix A to the identity matrix.
  • Another participant clarifies that every row reduction corresponds to an elementary matrix, and applying these operations to A results in A^{-1}. Applying the same operations to B yields A^{-1}B.
  • A participant elaborates that the specific entries of B do influence the result, but the sequence of row operations performed on A does not affect the final outcome when applied to B, as long as the operations lead to the identity matrix.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of B's entries versus the sequence of operations applied to A. While there is some agreement on the mechanics of row operations and their relationship to elementary matrices, the exact implications of these operations on B remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the concept of elementary matrices and the relationship between row operations and matrix equations, but the discussion does not resolve the nuances of how specific entries of B interact with the row operations.

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if you perform row operations on a matrix A to convert it to the identity matrix and then use the same row operations and apply it to another matrix B, why is it that the end result of B^r does not depends on B's actual sequence
 
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What do you mean by B's actual sequence?
 
And, what do you mean by "B^r"? Every row reduction is equivalent to an "elementary matrix"- the result of applying that row reduction to the identity matrix. Applying a given row operation to a matrix is the same as multiplying the corresponding elementary matrix. And applying row operations to A to reduce it the identity matrix means that the product of the corresponding elementary matrices is A^{-1}. Applying those row operations to B gives A^{-1}B.

That means, in particular, that if you have the matrix equation Ax= B, and apply the the row operations that reduce A to the identity matrix to B, you get x= A^{-1}B, the solution to the equation.
 
When I say Bs actual sequence, I mean the numbers that compose that matrix such as a 3x3 matrix with the numbers 654,896,327 and when I say Br I mean performing the exact same row operations that you did on A and applying them to B in the same order and I want to know why it doesn't matter what the actual sequence of B is as long as you're performing the same row operations on it as you did with another matrix, A
 
I guess the short answer is that the result you get does depend on the entries of B in exactly the way that HallsofIvy explained.

What doesn't matter I guess is the exact sequence of steps you took to row reduce A. As long as you do row operations that eventually reduce A to the identity, the result of all those row operations combines to be the same operation. When you apply that operation on B, you'll always get the matrix A^(-1)B.
 

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