Rudin Theorem 1.21. How does he get The identity ?

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The discussion centers around Rudin's Theorem 1.21, specifically the identity \( b^n - a^n = (b-a)(b^{n-1} + b^{n-2}a + \ldots + a^{n-1}) \). Participants explore whether this identity needs to be proven and what assumptions Rudin may be making regarding its validity.

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  • One participant questions whether the identity needs proof and what assumptions Rudin is making.
  • Another participant suggests simply multiplying out the expression to understand it better.
  • Further elaboration on the multiplication shows how \( (b-a)(b^{n-1} + b^{n-2}a + \ldots + a^{n-1}) \) simplifies to \( b^n - a^n \), but raises curiosity about the origin of the formula.
  • Some participants propose that \( (b-a) \) factors \( b^n - a^n \) because \( a \) is a root of the polynomial \( x^n - a^n \), suggesting a polynomial \( p(a,b) \) that could be determined through long division or pattern recognition.
  • Another participant reiterates the polynomial factorization approach and notes the symmetry in \( p(a,b) \).

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the identity requires proof or on the assumptions involved. Multiple viewpoints on how to understand and derive the identity are presented.

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Some assumptions about polynomial roots and factorization methods are discussed, but these remain unresolved in terms of their implications for the identity.

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Rudin Theorem 1.21. How does he get "The identity"?

In Theorem 1.21, Rudin says:

The identity b^n-a^n=(b-a)(b^{n-1}+b^{n-2}a+...+a^{n-1})yields etc etc.

What is this "identity", and do we need to prove it first? If not, what assumption is Rudin making?
 
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Just multiply it out
 
lavinia said:
Just multiply it out

So if we have b^3-a^3, we get
(b.b.b)-(a.a.a)

I'm probably missing something obvious, but I'm not sure what to do from here on.
 
##(b-a)(b^{n-1}+b^{n-2}a+...+a^{n-1}) = b(b^{n-1}+b^{n-2}a+...+a^{n-1})-a(b^{n-1}+b^{n-2}a+...+a^{n-1}) = (b^{n}+b^{n-1}a+...+ba^{n-1}) - (b^{n-1}a+b^{n-2}a^2+...+a^{n}) = b^n-a^n##
 
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Axiomer said:
##(b-a)(b^{n-1}+b^{n-2}a+...+a^{n-1}) = b(b^{n-1}+b^{n-2}a+...+a^{n-1})-a(b^{n-1}+b^{n-2}a+...+a^{n-1}) = (b^{n}+b^{n-1}a+...+ba^{n-1}) - (b^{n-1}a+b^{n-2}a^2+...+a^{n}) = b^n-a^n##

Thanks that works!

It's curious though. We've proved it in one direction, but I wonder how someone made the formula in the first place.
 
I suppose one might start by noticing that ##(b-a)## factors ##b^n-a^n##, since ##a## is clearly a root of the polynomial ##x^n-a^n##. So ##b^n-a^n=(b-a)p(a,b)## for some polynomial ##p(a,b)##. Then, to determine ##p(a,b)##, one could start doing long division to see the pattern. Alternatively, we can construct ##p(a,b)## by noticing that ##p(a,b)=p(b,a)##, and that ##p(a,b)## must have ##b^{n-1}## as a term.
 
Axiomer said:
I suppose one might start by noticing that ##(b-a)## factors ##b^n-a^n##, since ##a## is clearly a root of the polynomial ##x^n-a^n##. So ##b^n-a^n=(b-a)p(a,b)## for some polynomial ##p(a,b)##. Then, to determine ##p(a,b)##, one could start doing long division to see the pattern. Alternatively, we can construct ##p(a,b)## by noticing that ##p(a,b)=p(b,a)##, and that ##p(a,b)## must have ##b^{n-1}## as a term.

I linked to your reply from my blog post: http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2013/un...ins-principles-of-mathematical-analysis.html/

Thanks again!
 

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