Runge-Lenz vector with perturbation potential

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The discussion centers on the integration of perturbation potential into the definition of the Runge-Lenz vector, specifically in cases where the potential follows a ##\sim 1/r## relationship. A participant has already demonstrated that the time derivative of the Lenz vector is zero under this condition. The conversation highlights the need for clarification on how to incorporate perturbation forces into the Lenz vector's definition, suggesting that the current approach may be flawed. Further mathematical elaboration is requested to solidify understanding.

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Homework Statement
Consider the Kepler problem

$$m \ddot{\vec{r}} = -\alpha \frac{\vec{r}}{r^3}, \quad \alpha = GMm$$

Another conserved quantity, called the Runge-Lenz vector, is given by

$$\vec{F}_L = \vec{p} \times \vec{L} - m \alpha \frac{\vec{r}}{r}$$

Now imagine the gravitational force is perturbed by another central force

$$\vec{F}' = f(r) \frac{\vec{r}}{r}$$

where ##f(r) \sim 1/r^3##. As a result of this, the Lenz vector is not conserved anymore. Hence, find:

$$\frac{\mathrm{d}\vec{F}_L}{\mathrm{d}{t}} = \dot{\vec{F}}_L$$

and discuss the effect of this perturbation on the motion.
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For the case that there is only a potential ##\sim 1/r##, I have already proven that the time derivative of the Lenz vector is zero. However, I'm not sure how I would "integrate" this perturbation potential/force into the definition of the Lenz vector (as it is directly defined in terms of the gravitational potential). Is there a more general/extended version of this definition or am I approaching this question wrong?
 
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breadlover98 said:
For the case that there is only a potential ##\sim 1/r##, I have already proven that the time derivative of the Lenz vector is zero.
Well, how did you prove that ##\,dF_L/dt = 0\,## ? (I.e., sketch out the math for us.)

breadlover98 said:
However, I'm not sure how I would "integrate" this perturbation potential/force into the definition of the Lenz vector (as it is directly defined in terms of the gravitational potential). Is there a more general/extended version of this definition or am I approaching this question wrong?
I suspect you're "approaching it wrong". Hopefully, after you answer my question above, this should become clearer.
 

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