Runge-Lenz vector with perturbation potential

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The discussion focuses on the time derivative of the Lenz vector, which is proven to be zero for a potential proportional to 1/r. The user seeks guidance on incorporating a perturbation potential into the Lenz vector's definition, which is traditionally based on gravitational potential. There is uncertainty about whether a more general definition exists or if the approach taken is incorrect. Clarification is requested regarding the mathematical proof of the Lenz vector's time derivative being zero. The conversation emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of the Lenz vector's formulation in the context of perturbations.
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Homework Statement
Consider the Kepler problem

$$m \ddot{\vec{r}} = -\alpha \frac{\vec{r}}{r^3}, \quad \alpha = GMm$$

Another conserved quantity, called the Runge-Lenz vector, is given by

$$\vec{F}_L = \vec{p} \times \vec{L} - m \alpha \frac{\vec{r}}{r}$$

Now imagine the gravitational force is perturbed by another central force

$$\vec{F}' = f(r) \frac{\vec{r}}{r}$$

where ##f(r) \sim 1/r^3##. As a result of this, the Lenz vector is not conserved anymore. Hence, find:

$$\frac{\mathrm{d}\vec{F}_L}{\mathrm{d}{t}} = \dot{\vec{F}}_L$$

and discuss the effect of this perturbation on the motion.
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For the case that there is only a potential ##\sim 1/r##, I have already proven that the time derivative of the Lenz vector is zero. However, I'm not sure how I would "integrate" this perturbation potential/force into the definition of the Lenz vector (as it is directly defined in terms of the gravitational potential). Is there a more general/extended version of this definition or am I approaching this question wrong?
 
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breadlover98 said:
For the case that there is only a potential ##\sim 1/r##, I have already proven that the time derivative of the Lenz vector is zero.
Well, how did you prove that ##\,dF_L/dt = 0\,## ? (I.e., sketch out the math for us.)

breadlover98 said:
However, I'm not sure how I would "integrate" this perturbation potential/force into the definition of the Lenz vector (as it is directly defined in terms of the gravitational potential). Is there a more general/extended version of this definition or am I approaching this question wrong?
I suspect you're "approaching it wrong". Hopefully, after you answer my question above, this should become clearer.
 
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