S4.6r.11 Solid of revolution about the y axis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a solid of revolution about the y-axis, specifically using the washer method and potentially the shell method. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and integration limits related to the problem, which involves variables \(a\) and \(h\).

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and the initial volume formula using the washer method.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the problem statement and requests the exact wording from the textbook.
  • A participant suggests using both the washer and shell methods for solving the problem, emphasizing the importance of practice and verification.
  • There is uncertainty about identifying the outer and inner radii, with one participant proposing \(R\) as \(x_2\) and \(r\) as \(x_1\), but expressing doubt.
  • Another participant provides a formula for the volume element \(dV\) and notes the need to express \(x^2\) in terms of \(y\).
  • One participant mentions a known answer from the book but expresses confusion about the variable \(h\).
  • A participant derives a relationship between \(x^2\) and \(y^2\) and suggests finding the limits of integration based on the intersections of a line and a curve.
  • Another participant calculates different limits of integration and introduces a substitution for \(c\) as \(a+h\), indicating a method to simplify the integration process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the limits of integration and the interpretation of the variables involved, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity regarding the definitions of \(a\) and \(h\), as well as the specific limits of integration, which depend on the intersections of the given equations. The discussion reflects various interpretations and assumptions that have not been resolved.

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Given
$$x_1^2 -y^2=a^2, \ \ x_2=a+h$$
Or
$$x_1=\sqrt{a^2+y^2}$$

Find
Volume about the $y$-axis

So...

$$\pi\int_{a}^{h} \left(x_2^2-x_1^2\right)\,dy$$

Actually I am clueless?!
 
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Is that how the problem is given in your textbook?
 
Well, that's clear as floodwaters, my friend! (Nod)

Can you humor me for a little bit here and give the problem exactly as stated? (Mmm)
 
Okay, now we're in bidness...and your inclination to use the washer method is a good one...but you know, when I was a student, I like to work problems like these more than one way (we could use the shell method as well) both for the prctice and as a means of checking my result.

Let's begin with the washer method. The value of an element (a washer) is given by:

$$dV=\pi(R^2-r^2)$$

where $R$ is the outer radius and $r$ is the inner radius. Can you identify these two radii?
 
I assume $R$ is the major radius or $x_2$
And $r$ is the minor radius or $x_1$

No I'm not sure?

This thing has $a$ and $h$ in it😠😠
 
karush said:
I assume $R$ is the major radius or $x_2$
And $r$ is the minor radius or $x_1$

No I'm not sure?

This thing has $a$ and $h$ in it😠😠

First, it is often very helpful to draw a sketch:

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Now, we see the outer radius is:

$$R=a+h$$

and the inner radius is:

$$r=x$$

And so we have:

$$dV=\pi\left((a+h)^2-x^2\right)\,dy$$ (I forgot to include the thickness of the washer before)

Now, the expression $a+h$ is a constant, so we don't need to do anything with that. However, since we will be integrating along the $y$-axis, we need to express $x^2$ in terms of $y$...(Thinking)
 

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Sorry,I got lost in this,

The bk ans is $$\frac{4}{3}(2ah+h^2)^{3/2}$$

However $$x=\sqrt{y}$$
 
Since we are given:

$$x^2-y^2=a^2$$

we then know:

$$x^2=y^2+a^2$$

Hence:

$$dV=\pi\left((a+h)^2-\left(y^2+a^2\right)\right)\,dy$$

Now, you need to find the limits of integration, which will be the $y$-coordinates of the intersections of the line:

$$x=a+h$$

and the curve:

$$x^2-y^2=a^2$$

Can you proceed? :)
 
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$$dV=\pi\left((a+h)^2-\left(y^2+a^2\right)\right)\,dy$$dV
$$\pi\int_{-a}^{a}\left((a+h)^2-\left(y^2+a^2\right)\right) \,dy$$

Don't know what $h$ is?
 
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I get different limits of integration. we have:

$$y^2=x^2-a^2$$

Now, substituting $c=a+h$, we obtain:

$$y=\pm\sqrt{h(2a+h)}$$

And then using the even function rule, we may write:

$$V=2\pi\int_0^{\sqrt{h(2a+h)}} \left((a+h)^2-\left(y^2+a^2\right)\right)\,dy$$

$h$ is just a constant, that is greater than the constant $a$. :)
 

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