S8.3.7.6 minimum vertical distance

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimum vertical distance between the parabolas defined by the equations $$y = x^2 + 1$$ and $$y = x - x^2$$. Participants explore various interpretations of the problem, including calculations of distances between vertices and the minimum of the absolute difference between the two functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the question is about the vertical distance between the vertices of the parabolas, suggesting a distance of 7/8.
  • Others argue that the correct interpretation involves finding the minimum of the absolute difference $$|y_1 - y_2|$$, where $$y_1 = x^2 + 1$$ and $$y_2 = x - x^2$$.
  • A participant calculates the vertical distance at specific points, finding a distance of 0.75 based on the vertices' y-values, but acknowledges that the vertices are not vertically aligned.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the minimum vertical distance should be calculated using the function $$|2x^2 - x + 1|$$, leading to a minimum value of 15/16 when $$x = 1/4$$.
  • There is a mention of using the derivative method $$f'(x) = 0$$ to find critical points, which also leads to the same minimum distance.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the problem or the method for calculating the minimum vertical distance. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correct approach and the significance of the vertices.

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Some participants note that the term "distance" may be misleading, suggesting "difference" might be more appropriate. There is also a recognition that the problem is part of a larger set of exercises focused on minimum and maximum problems, which may influence the interpretation.

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S8.3.7.6. What is the minimum vertical distance between the parabolas
$$y = x^2+1 \textit{and } y = x- x^2$$

Ok I think what question is ... The vertical distance between vertex's
 
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karush said:
S8.3.7.6. What is the minimum vertical distance between the parabolas
$$y = x^2+1 \textit{and } y = x- x^2$$

Ok I think what question is ... The vertical distance between vertex's
I interpret the question as the minimum of $|y_1 -y_2|$ where $y_1=x^2+1$ and $y_2=x-x^2$

... which would be a distance equal to 7/8
 
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$(x^2+1)'=2x$. Then 2x=0 so x=0
$(x-x^2)'=1-2x$ then 1-2x=0 so x=.5

(0)^2+1=1 And (.5)-(.5)^2=.25
Vertical distance is
$1-.25=.75$
 
karush said:
$(x^2+1)'=2x$. Then 2x=0 so x=0
$(x-x^2)'=1-2x$ then 1-2x=0 so x=.5

(0)^2+1=1 And (.5)-(.5)^2=.25
Vertical distance is
$1-.25=.75$

You calculated the vertical difference between the respective y-values of each vertex ... only problem is, the two vertices are not vertically aligned. The vertex of $y=x^2+1$ is at $(0,1)$ and the vertex of $y=x-x^2$ is $\left(\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{4}\right)$

To get the idea, try the same question with these two functions ...

What is the minimum vertical distance between $y = x^2+1$ and $y = x-1$

... obviously, $y=x-1$ doesn't have a vertex.
 
Ok well this was from exercises in doing min/max problems where all the examples were solved by $f'(x)=0$

Yes the word distance was ackward as opposed to difference

This was an even problem # so no answer was given so you are probably correct
 
You are still ignoring skeeter's first response! No, this not asking for the distance between vertices, it is asking for the minimum of [math]|y_1- y_2|= |x^2+ 1- x+ x^2|= |2x^2- x+ 1|[/math]. That (ignoring the absolute value) is a parabola, [math]2(x^2- x/2+ 1/16- 1/16)+ 1= 2(x- 1/4)^2+ 15/16[/math]. That's always positive so we can drop the absolute value. It has a minimum value of 15/16 when x= 1/4.

You could also use "f'(x)= 0" with f(x)= 2x^2-x+ 1. f'(x)= 4x- 1= 0. which gives x= 1/4 again.
 

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