Sakurai page 54: Is this a Taylor expansion?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of a mathematical expression from J. J. Sakurai's "Modern Quantum Mechanics," specifically whether the manipulation of a Bra in the context of quantum mechanics constitutes a Taylor expansion. Participants explore the implications of expanding wavefunctions and the properties of Bras and Kets in relation to this concept.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the last line of the equation appears to be a Taylor expansion.
  • Questions arise about the validity of Taylor expanding a Bra, with some noting that Kets are elements of a vector space and Bras are elements of the corresponding dual space.
  • One participant proposes that if the result is differentiable and behaves nicely, then a Taylor expansion could be justified.
  • Another participant clarifies that the expression involves the position space wavefunction, which is typically a well-defined function suitable for Taylor expansion.
  • Concerns are raised about the treatment of complex and Hermitian conjugates in the context of expanding a Bra, questioning why they do not factor into the expansion.
  • It is noted that the position variable is real, which may influence the absence of complex conjugates in the expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the manipulation constitutes a Taylor expansion of a Bra, with some supporting the idea while others raise questions about the implications and correctness of such an approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the treatment of complex conjugates and the nature of the expansion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for strict mathematical formulations to support claims about differentiability and the behavior of functions involved in the discussion. There are also unresolved questions about the definitions and properties of Bras and Kets in this context.

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From page 54 of 'Modern Quantum Mechanics, revised edition" by J. J. Sakurai.

Obtaining equation (1.7.15),<br /> \begin{eqnarray}<br /> \left(1- \frac{ip\Delta x&#039;}{\hbar} \right) \mid \alpha \rangle &amp; = &amp; \int dx&#039; \mathcal{T} ( \Delta x&#039; ) \mid x&#039; \rangle \langle x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle \\<br /> &amp; = &amp; \int dx&#039; \mid x&#039; + \Delta x&#039; \rangle \langle x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle \\<br /> &amp; = &amp; \int dx&#039; \mid x&#039; \rangle \langle x&#039; - \Delta x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle \\<br /> &amp; = &amp; \int dx&#039; \mid x&#039; \rangle \left( \langle x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle - \Delta x&#039; \frac{\partial}{\partial x&#039;} \langle x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle \right)<br /> \end{eqnarray}<br />How does the last line come about? Is it a Taylor expansion?
 
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It looks like a Taylor expansion, indeed.
 
Can a Bra be Taylor expanded like this? I guess it is like Taylor expanding a vector? I know that Kets are elements of a vector space, and Bras are the elements of the corresponding dual space.
 
If the result is differentiable in some variable, and behaves nicely (insert strict mathematical formulation here): why not?
 
omoplata said:
Can a Bra be Taylor expanded like this? I guess it is like Taylor expanding a vector? I know that Kets are elements of a vector space, and Bras are the elements of the corresponding dual space.

It's not quite a bra that is being expanded here. ##\langle x | \alpha \rangle = \psi_\alpha(x)## is the position space wavefunction corresponding to the state ##|\alpha\rangle##. What appears in the expression above is ##\psi_\alpha(x'-\Delta x')##, which is usually a nice enough function to have a well-defined Taylor expansion. It may be the case that you can also manipulate the states themselves in some way, but I expect that if the procedure is to be well-defined, there must be a way to express the same manipulations in terms of appropriate wavefunctions.
 
fzero said:
It's not quite a bra that is being expanded here. ##\langle x | \alpha \rangle = \psi_\alpha(x)## is the position space wavefunction corresponding to the state ##|\alpha\rangle##. What appears in the expression above is ##\psi_\alpha(x'-\Delta x')##, which is usually a nice enough function to have a well-defined Taylor expansion. It may be the case that you can also manipulate the states themselves in some way, but I expect that if the procedure is to be well-defined, there must be a way to express the same manipulations in terms of appropriate wavefunctions.

Oh, OK. That's easier to understand.

I was about to ask since all operators A should be A^{\dagger} and all constants c should be c^* in the Bra space, why is it,<br /> \int dx&#039; \mid x&#039; \rangle \langle x&#039; - \Delta x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle = \int dx&#039; \mid x&#039; \rangle \left( \langle x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle - \Delta x&#039; \frac{\partial}{\partial x&#039;} \langle x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle \right)<br /> and not, <br /> \int dx&#039; \mid x&#039; \rangle \langle x&#039; - \Delta x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle = \int dx&#039; \mid x&#039; \rangle \left( \langle x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle - \Delta (x&#039;)^* {\frac{\partial}{\partial x&#039;}}^{\dagger} \langle x&#039; \mid \alpha \rangle \right)<br />?
 
I mean, I understand that what's given in the book easily follows if you think of it as a wavefunction. But if you think of it as Taylor expanding a Bra, why don't the complex and hermitian conjugates don't come into play?
 
omoplata said:
I mean, I understand that what's given in the book easily follows if you think of it as a wavefunction. But if you think of it as Taylor expanding a Bra, why don't the complex and hermitian conjugates don't come into play?
Because position is a real variable?
 

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