Sampling Distribution of the Means

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the sampling distribution of the mean, particularly focusing on the derivation of the standard deviation of the means as presented in a statistics textbook. Participants are exploring the implications of sampling from a normal population and questioning the assumptions underlying the normal distribution of sample means.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the assertion that all sampled observations will follow the same normal distribution as the population, seeking clarification on this point.
  • Another participant suggests that the assumption is that samples taken from a normally distributed population will also be normally distributed, referencing Theorem 7.11 to explain how means and variances are derived from linear combinations of estimates.
  • A different viewpoint questions the possibility of obtaining a non-representative or skewed sample from the population, indicating a concern about sampling variability.
  • One participant reiterates the ball-bearing example, asking for confirmation on whether the sampled observations indeed follow a normal distribution with the same mean and variance as the population.
  • Another participant affirms that if the sample is taken from a normally distributed population, then the statistics for the sample will also be normally distributed with the same parameters.
  • It is noted that the formulae for the mean and variance of the sample mean hold even without the normality assumption, as long as the population mean and standard deviation exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of sampling from a normal distribution, with some affirming the statements made in the textbook while others seek clarification and express concerns about potential non-representative samples. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the interpretation of the sampling distribution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity on the assumptions regarding the normality of the population and the implications for the sampled observations. There is an acknowledgment of the potential for sampling variability and the conditions under which the statistical properties hold.

Saladsamurai
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Hey folks! :smile:

I am working through my text entitled Probability and Statistics for Engineers and Scientists by Walpole et al. I am getting a little stuck on their lackadaisical derivation of the standard deviation of the means. Perhaps I can get a little guidance here by talking it out with someone. Here is their intro to the matter:

TEXTBOOK said:
The first important sampling distribution to be considered is that of the mean \bar{X}. Suppose that a random sample of n observations is taken from a normal population with mean \mu and variance \sigma^2. Each observation Xi, i = 1,2...,n, of the random sample will then have the same normal distribution as the population being sampled. Hence, by the reproductive property of the normal distribution established in Theorem 7.11. we conclude that

\bar{X} = \frac{1}{n}(X_1 + X_2 + ...+X_n)

has a normal distribution with mean

\mu_{\bar{X}}= \frac{1}{n}(\mu+\mu+...+\mu)

I am a little lost already at the forst 3 sentences. Do they really mean that all of the Xi will have the same normal distribution? Let's say that we have 10 000 ball-bearings with a population mean diameter of \mu and pop variance \sigma^2; I take a random sample of n = 40 ball-bearings. It seems they are saying that those 40 diameters will follow the same normal distribution as the population with \mu \text{ and }\sigma^2. But they offer no proof, and furthermore, I do not see why that should be self evident.

Am I misinterpreting their words?Here is Theorem 7.11 for reference:

TEXTBOOK said:
If X1, X2, ...Xn are independent random variables having normal distributions with means \mu_1,\mu2,...\mu_n and variances \sigma_1^2,\sigma_2^2,...,\sigma_n^2<br />, then the random variable Y = a_1X_1+a_2X_2+...+a_nX_n has a normal distribution with \mu_Y = a_1\mu_1+a_2\mu_2+...+a_n\mu_n and variance \sigma_Y^2 = a_1^2\sigma_1^2+a_2^2\sigma_2^2+...+a_n^2\sigma_n^2<br />
 
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I know it is a little early for a "bump" but I am seeing a lot of views and no responses. I was just wondering if there was anything I could do to make my question a little clearer as I realize it is a little open-ended.

Thanks :smile:
 
I hope I can clarify a little bit. It is assumed that you are taking samples of something, where that something has a normal distribution. Therefore by definition the probability distribution of each sample is normal with the given mean and variance. Theorem 7.11 shows how you can get the mean and variance when you take a linear combination of the estimates.
 
I think he is asking: can I get a non-representative sample? Or what is the probability of getting a skewed sample of the population?
 
Hello folks :smile: Thanks for the replies. I think what I am really asking is this: Take the ball bearing example that I mentioned

Saladsamurai said:
Let's say that we have 10 000 ball-bearings with a population mean diameter of \mu and pop variance \sigma^2; I take a random sample of n = 40 ball-bearings.

So we have these 40 observations x1,x2,...,xn. It is saying that these 40 observations follow a normal distribution with the same expectation value and variance as the population from which they came?

I am not sure why I am so unsure of this, but can someone just confirm or reject that this is in fact a true statement before I continue?

Thanks again! :smile:

~Casey
 
If these 40 are selected from the 10,000, then the statistics for each ball bearing is the same, normal with a mean diameter μ with a variance σ2.
 
IF you take the sample from a single normally distributed population then the statement is correct. In fact, even without the normality assumption, as long as the population mean and standard deviation exist, the formulae for the mean and variance of the sample mean continue to hold.
 

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