Santa Claus and The power of belief

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Entropy said:
You just contradicted yourself.
Not if you read the next sentence.

I took great pleasure in helping to continue the illusion for my younger siblings. In fact, thinking about it now...it felt more like a right of passage. It set me apart from the "little kids".
Seven years of fun [or so] for a few days, or even a day's worth of disappointment, maybe... not so bad really. But your point was about trust. I don't recall this ever being an issue.
 
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but it's a harmless lie and it makes the kids happy
Presents make the kids happy. You think anyone would care about Santa if he didn't carry around a bag of gifts?
 
Evo said:
How many people here distrust their parents because of Santa & the Easter Bunny?
I don't even remember what age I found out that Santa wasn't real. I have no idea if it bothered me or not.
I did just last year though meet a young girl that hadn't been told yet. I think that she already knew in there somewhere but when someone had hinted at the truth she broke down in tears. She told her mom that she didn't want to talk to her and called her a lier. Ofcourse the poor girl had other issues that probably contributed to what happened but she was certainly devistated to think that her mother lied to her.

On a slightly different note one of my exes is/was absolutely obsessed with fantasy. She wanted to believe that things like magic and the like were real and it made her profoundly sad to think that they weren't. She cried when ever she watched movies like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings because once the suspension of disbelief while watching the movie was over the reality of it all came crashing back in on her.
 

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tribdog said:
A lie isn't necessarily a bad thing. Look at all the lies Evo and her cronies tell to the people who submit their pictures.
That's not true, you have no idea what I think is cute. :grumpy:
 

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TheStatutoryApe said:
I don't even remember what age I found out that Santa wasn't real. I have no idea if it bothered me or not.
I did just last year though meet a young girl that hadn't been told yet. I think that she already knew in there somewhere but when someone had hinted at the truth she broke down in tears. She told her mom that she didn't want to talk to her and called her a lier. Ofcourse the poor girl had other issues that probably contributed to what happened but she was certainly devistated to think that her mother lied to her.
On a slightly different note one of my exes is/was absolutely obsessed with fantasy. She wanted to believe that things like magic and the like were real and it made her profoundly sad to think that they weren't. She cried when ever she watched movies like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings because once the suspension of disbelief while watching the movie was over the reality of it all came crashing back in on her.
Ok, there are always exceptions. But I think most normal kids don't have issues. I know I didn't, like Ivan, I had already guessed and had fun playing along for my little sister and the younger neighborhood kids. My kids had no problems. The belief in Santa is something that normal kids grow out of.
 
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lol, cute like baby monkey cute?
I do have some idea of what you think is cute. I've seen your soccer player and his washboard stomach.
 

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lol, cute like baby monkey cute?
I do have some idea of what you think is cute. I've seen your soccer player and his washboard stomach.
I have a soccer player? WHERE?? What have you done with him??? :grumpy:
 

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It might be argued that Santa is viewed an imaginary friend.

...One girl, now 7, inherited her imaginary friend, "Margarine," from her older brother. Margarine first appeared as a helper on her brother's first, scary day of preschool. The boy talked so convincingly about his little mentor, his mother thought the girl was real -- until she tried to find Margarine's mother to thank her.

Margarine became a part of family lore and later followed the boy's younger sister to school.

Some kids have as many as 13 imaginary friends at one time or another, contrary to the "Calvin and Hobbes" image of a single, faithful make-believe pal.

"Our research suggested it's more of a revolving door," Carlson said. While some pretend friends fade quietly away, others "suffer this horrible demise -- like getting run over," she said.

This kind of pretend play gives young children a chance to mull over the confusing issues of life -- a process that seems to continue in different forms as people mature...

Most kids, sooner or later, come to realize their make-believe buddies are not of this world.

In fact, Carlson said, some kids grew concerned about the researchers' grasp of reality during probing interviews.

"I've had several children sort of pull me aside during the interview and say, 'You know it's pretend, right?' "
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lifestyle/202632_imaginary07.html
 
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Entropy said:
Presents make the kids happy. You think anyone would care about Santa if he didn't carry around a bag of gifts?
you must have been a rotten spoiled brat. kids LOVE giving just as much as getting. Haven't you ever seen how happy a child is to give a present to their mom?
Kids don't put out milk and cookies for Santa because they think they'll get better presents. If kids only like Santa for the presents how do you explain Frosty the Snowman? He's loved and doesn't hand out anything.
 
Evo said:
Ok, there are always exceptions. But I think most normal kids don't have issues. I know I didn't, like Ivan, I had already guessed and had fun playing along for my little sister and the younger neighborhood kids. My kids had no problems. The belief in Santa is something that normal kids grow out of.
Oh I know. You asked and so I passed on the one instance I know of.
Personally I was pissed when I found out that the presents I got each year from my father that had run out on us weren't from him.
I think that the young girl I refered to had a hard time with it because her father had left her family and so she was experiencing trust issues already.
My ex; she was born with a deformed leg and the insistent desire to believe that "anything is possible" which kept her going through her surgeries and out of depression because of the things she could not do influenced her greatly.
 
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i just wanted to put in my input. I love santa and i believe in him as much as a grown, sane person could. Saint Nick was a real person, and when i found out that "santa" wasn't real, i already knew about saint nick. He was just a guy who really did ride a sleigh, and maybe did have reindeer, and delivered toys to kids in winter. Its a real story. and its inspiring and endearing. and so every christmas, we give gifts to try and replicate that one mans kindness. and for kids who can't give very much yet, we tell them to be good, so that they're worthy of such kindness.

i'm 18 and my sister is 17 and we're wicked into christmas. we still even write letter to santa every year. we write a toy or two, but mostly (well i dunno about her) i wish for my family to be together, my friends to be happy, etc. i think its good to write that stuff down, and even to mail it, cause you know, it makes everyone happy. i know our mailman likes to see our letters to santa every year.

whenever we have company, they always ask her and i how we can be so committed to the holiday, (especially me) even when there aren't kids around to decorate or sing for or play with or whatever. they ask how we can still hurry to bed on christmas eve, and why even once there we can't sleep. Its christmas spirit that comes down our chimney. its peace on earth and goodwill towards men. Santa is just an embodiment of all those good things, and we realized that when we realized that santa "wasn't real" or rather, he wasn't a person. Santa is an idealogy about faith in human kindness. and to me, that is real, to cynics, its not.

every year, the best parts of christmas are singing carols with my family, and baking gingerbread houses and making snow flakes. its decorating the house so when people come over, it feels like christmas to them, because for whatever reason, they don't have that feeling at home. and then, its shopping for gifts for my friends and family. and finding the perfect gifts. i like to watch my friends and family unwrap what i got them, and to watch their faces light up. i play jokes, and i get fun things. Usually, i get stuff i really don't like. but i can't control what i get, so i don't worry about it. giving is what the holiday is really about.

at any rate, i love christmas the REAL things it stands for, especially santa. some people don't appreciate christmas for what it really is, sure, and to them its a holiday about getting as many presents as possible, and spending all you can. But thats not christmas and thats not santa. Kids who grow up understanding what christmas really is about aren't sad or dissapointed when they learn the truth, because they haven't lost anything. Santa is just the metaphor that children can more easily relate to, and he stands for all the true happy meanings of christmas.
 
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somebody's been getting into the egg nog again and watching It's a Wonderful life.
 
I didn't get any eggnog with brandy this year. Last year was the first time I'd ever had it since I have always detested eggnog. I found that the brandy makes it quite drinkable.
 
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and it gets more drinkable the more you drink, by the end of the night itsh the besht shtuff I evers strunk.
 
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actually, hehe, my mum gave me, my cousins, and my brother some egg nog and rum on xmas eve... heh, we had to hide it from my grandma though..
 

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Grandma has an egg nog and rum drinking problem?
 
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it's no problem, she's good at drinking it. really good.
 
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haha, no, my grandma just doesn't approve of drinking at all. though my mum is pushing 50 soon, she still feels the need to hide it from her.
 
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was she beat a lot when she was a kid? I know that's why I hide stuff from my parents.
 

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Gale said:
i just wanted to put in my input. I love santa and i believe in him as much as a grown, sane person could. <snip>

at any rate, i love christmas the REAL things it stands for, especially santa.
You're a lovely person Gale, absolutely delightful, and I hope you never change. :approve:
 
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I hope she changes everyday.
 
Me thinks Santa is a bribe. A way to interest kids in Christianity. Don't you think the child will be willing to put up with going to church here and there if at the end of each year he/she is flooded with gifts worth hundreds of (insert currency)? Same with the Easter Bunny. Kinda like a refreshner bribe or a set up.

Why?

Why is religion losing its appeal?

Maybe because children want to learn facts and how to interpret these facts, what they mean, how they corespond to one another. Religion is factless. Parents send their children to school to learn the facts of grammar, speech, science, etc. But then (some) send them to church to learn about material uncorroborated with facts. What a crazy world.
 

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