SAT Math: Greatest Possible Area of Triangle (7, 10)

  • Context: MHB 
  • Thread starter Thread starter DaniNY
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Sat Sat math
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the greatest possible area of a triangle with one side of length 7 and another side of length 10. Participants explore various approaches to this problem, including geometric reasoning and trigonometric principles, while considering implications for teaching SAT math concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests considering the triangle as a right triangle to find the maximum area.
  • Another participant questions how to confirm that a right triangle indeed provides the greatest area possible.
  • A later reply proposes using the formula for the area of a triangle, $A = ab \sin(C)$, indicating that the area is maximized when the angle $C$ is 90 degrees.
  • One participant mentions that rotating the side that acts as the altitude will result in a smaller area, reinforcing the idea that the right triangle configuration maximizes area.
  • Another participant expresses the need to explain this concept clearly to students, acknowledging that trigonometry is not required for the SAT.
  • There is a suggestion to visually demonstrate the concept of maximizing area by relating it to the height of the triangle in relation to its base.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a right triangle configuration maximizes the area, but there is no consensus on the best method to teach or visually demonstrate this concept. Some participants express uncertainty about how to convey the reasoning effectively to students.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that while trigonometry can provide a rigorous justification for the area maximization, it may not be necessary for SAT preparation, leading to a discussion on teaching strategies.

Who May Find This Useful

Educators preparing students for the SAT, particularly in mathematics, may find this discussion relevant for understanding how to approach triangle area problems and convey the underlying concepts effectively.

DaniNY
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
What is the greatest possible area of a triangle with one side of length 7 and the another side of length 10?Choices:

A - 17
B - 34
C - 35
D - 70
E - 140

Answer is 35 but how?

Thanks in advance
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
consider it to be a right triangle
 
but how to know that is the greatest area possible?
 
DaniNY said:
but how to know that is the greatest area possible?

Hi DaniNY, (Wave)

Welcome to MHB! :)

You can prove this fact using trigonometry and/or calculus but for the SAT I recommend just memorizing this. Some things are worth deriving and some thing are worth memorizing. This one is the latter case in my opinion.

Anyway, once you know that it must be a right triangle how can you find the answer?
 
if you rotate the side that is the altitude from 90d then the area can only become smaller because the attitude is smaller
 
Thanks for you help! I am actually teaching an SAT course and I just want to make sure I can explain this as clearly as possible
 
DaniNY said:
Thanks for you help! I am actually teaching an SAT course and I just want to make sure I can explain this as clearly as possible

Ah, ok. :)

Here is an argument for why this is. The general formula for the area of a triangle can be expressed as: $A = ab \sin(C)$, where $a,b$ are two legs of the triangle and $C$ is the angle between them. Let's also say that $a,b$ represent the two shortest legs.

If you examine some possibilities of the $\sin(C)$ term, you'll see that this value is the biggest for $\sin(90 ^{\circ})$. Try some other values of this and you'll get something less than 1. Does that make sense?
 
Jameson said:
Ah, ok. :)

Here is an argument for why this is. The general formula for the area of a triangle can be expressed as: $A = ab \sin(C)$, where $a,b$ are two legs of the triangle and $C$ is the angle between them. Let's also say that $a,b$ represent the two shortest legs.

If you examine some possibilities of the $\sin(C)$ term, you'll see that this value is the biggest for $\sin(90 ^{\circ})$. Try some other values of this and you'll get something less than 1. Does that make sense?
Ah yes, that does make more sense...I know trig is not required for the SAT and I think many of my students will be confused. I am going to tell them to remember that maximum area occurs in right triangles.

Any ideas on how I can visually show them this concept?

Thanks so much for your help!
 
DaniNY said:
I know trig is not required for the SAT and I think many of my students will be confused. I am going to tell them to remember that maximum area occurs in right triangles.

Any ideas on how I can visually show them this concept?
Being an ignorant foreigner, I know nothing about SAT requirements. But I imagine that students are meant to know that the area of a triangle is half the base times the vertical height. If you are told that the base is 10 and the sloping height is 7, then the way to maximise the area is to make the vertical height as big as possible, namely equal to the sloping height ... .
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K