Satellite Motion - This doesnt seem right

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to satellite motion and universal gravitation, specifically calculating the distance of an object from the Earth's surface when its weight changes. The original poster presents their calculations and expresses uncertainty about their approach.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the equations for weight and gravitational force but questions their calculations and reasoning. Some participants suggest that the mass used in the gravitational formula was incorrect, while others clarify the interpretation of the variable r in relation to the Earth's surface.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights and corrections regarding the calculations. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the definitions and assumptions involved in the problem, particularly concerning the distance from the Earth's surface versus the center of the Earth.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the distinction between the distance from the center of the Earth and the distance from the Earth's surface, which is critical for solving the problem accurately. The original poster's calculations are noted to have led to confusion regarding this aspect.

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Satellite Motion / Universal Gravitation - This doesn't seem right...

Homework Statement


How far is a 1Kg / 10N wieght, from the Earth's surface, when it is 5N?

Homework Equations


g= GM/r^2
W=mg


The Attempt at a Solution


=> W=mg
=> 5=1g
g = 5

g= GM/r^2
=>5 = (6.67*10^-11)(1)/r^2

=> r= 3.56 x 10^-6 ?

Could someone please assist me on where did I go wrong, because I don't think I missed any important details.
 
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As far as I can tell, I think the problem is that you used the wrong mass in the formula
\mbox{g}=\frac{GM}{r^2}
You used the mass of the weight, but it should be the mass of the earth, which is approximately 5.977\times10^{24} \mbox{ kg}. The equation should be as follows:
5 = \frac{(6.67\times10^{-11})(5.977\times10^{24})}{r^2}

r = \sqrt{\frac{(6.67\times10^{-11})(5.977\times10^{24})}{5}}

r = 8.93\times10^6 m

Does that agree with the answer you have been given?
 
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!

You helped me solve this issue. Can you believe I made such a small mistake - Ridiculous!

I really do appreciate your help.

I think I need to think and take more care with my work! :)

Kindest Regards,
TheKovac
 
You also need to be careful about what r represents. In your formula, r is the distance from the center of the earth. The problem asks for the distance from the earth's surface.

You don't actually need to do all that calculation. You know that the object weighs 10 N at the Earth's surface: GM/R^2= 10. You are looking for r such that GM/r^2= 5. Dividing the first equation by the second, r^2/R^2= 2 so r= \sqrt{2} R.

Again, that r is distance from the center of earth. Since R is the radius of the earth, the distance from the surface of the earth is \sqrt{2}R- R= (\sqrt{2}- 1)R.
 
My apologies, HallsofIvy is absolutely right. The answer I gave you was incomplete.

The formula calculated the distance from the centre of the Earth to the object, however the question asks for the distance from the surface of the Earth to the object. This means we must subtract the Earth's radius from the answer we calculated, as this will give the distance from the centre of the earth.

r_{surface} = r - r_{earth}
r_{surface} = (8.93\times10^6)-(6.38\times10^6)

Object is 2.55\times10^6 metres away from the Earth's surface. Does that make sense?
 

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