SAW 2 : Mega Box Office Success ?

[Anttech]

thought provocation... not slander

 

[marlon]

Im convinced.. Seems like there is a lot of abbrasion towards this movie.. Think Ill get some tickets :-)

Se7en was an amazing flick, very provocative.. I love being provocted..

Just saw part two...I loooved it...It was again a very original script. The only thing that bothered me a bit was the fact it was not bloody enough for me. I would have liked it to be a bit more DIRECT in the violence.


Se7en rules indeed. SAW has nothing to do with this masterpiece.

Go get your tickets man...

HORRER RULES...

marlon

 

[marlon]

Horror movies rule.

IT SURE DOES

I've never seen the Saw movies, but they look like pretty standard fare.

That is indeed true.


regards
marlon

 

[marlon]

Just get tribdog's attention, then.

tribdog ? pfff, yeah right...

What kind of interesting stuff did he ever say on this forum ?

He can come over here and provoque me...

marlon

 

[JamesU]

The only thing that bothered me a bit was the fact it was not bloody enough for me.

I heard that there's a pic online of Michael after the venus flytrap was taken off

 

[marlon]

I heard that there's a pic online of Michael after the venus flytrap was taken off

Where can i find this picture ? I might use it as wrapping paper for some of my New Years Eve presents :) Funny isn't it ? hahahaha

marlon

 

[JamesU]

I have no idea. I've seen one with Gus laying down after he got shot in the head though, pretty gorey, probably over-exaggerated

 

[Gale]

I actually liked Seven. I didn't appreciate the graphic scenes, but that wasn't surprising. Seven was much more original and had a plot. Saw was pointless and disgusting. i don't pretend to be particularly fond of horror, but i don't mind most. Saw however, was simply disturbing and it really sickens me that anyone enjoyed it.

 

[JamesU]

You find sAW disturbing but not Se7en? You mean that making a guy eat to death, and then kicking him and making him burst didn't disturb you? That's pretty messed up.

 

[Evo]

Where can i find this picture ? I might use it as wrapping paper for some of my New Years Eve presents :) Funny isn't it ? hahahaha
marlon

All right, a lot of people are upset by gory movies, let's not provoke people.

If you like slasher movies, that's fine, but let's not glorify the behavior exemplified in the movie.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

I watched the first one and thought it wasn't bad. The second one was rather cheesy in my opinion.


Gale, you might be slightly comfitted to know that in the second movie jigsaw made his "puzzles" in such a way that the participants were to give of themselves in order to save the others. Ofcourse none of them really do this.

 

[Anttech]

I actually liked Seven. I didn't appreciate the graphic scenes, but that wasn't surprising. Seven was much more original and had a plot. Saw was pointless and disgusting. i don't pretend to be particularly fond of horror, but i don't mind most. Saw however, was simply disturbing and it really sickens me that anyone enjoyed it.

This is the same type of stuff people said about "clockwork orange" all those years ago... And that is now deemed a masterpeice now :-)

 

[marlon]

If you like slasher movies, that's fine, but let's not glorify the behavior exemplified in the movie.

Are we glorifying that behaviour then ?

In all honesty, i don't see why you post such a remark. If you read this thread carefully, you will see there is not a single post (up till this one) that tries to convince people this kind of behaviour is good because of whatever reason.

marlon

ps : but in all honesty Evo, i very well understand why you wrote your post inhere. I will not push this any further...Sorry

 

[tribdog]

I thought the first saw was okay, the second was just too much for me though. I'm all for a little gratuitous violence, but saw 2 goes way too far. 2 solid hours of extreme torture and pain. Faces of Death looks tame in comparison.

 

[marlon]

.
If you like slasher movies

I do, especially the subcategory denoted with the epithton "TEEN". Like I know what you did last summer, staring Jennifer Love Hewit dressed in a very nice (yet very present) "soutien gorge"...

marlon

 

[zoobyshoe]

Are we glorifying that behaviour then ?
In all honesty, i don't see why you post such a remark. If you read this thread carefully, you will see there is not a single post (up till this one) that tries to convince people this kind of behaviour is good because of whatever reason.
marlon

Marlon, you made it very clear you think the serial killer is the good guy in Saw:

Your post #18

and yeah? why did he organize his riddles? sure..

I am sorry but clearly you did not get the point of the entire movie. Typical
The reason is that healthy people always take life for granted and mock other that are not that fortunated. The main killer was a patient of Dr Gordan, you know...

he helped that poor girl.. yeah, what a great guy!

No, he made her realize something...LIFE IS PRECIOUS...Embrace it...
This movie promotes the "respect life"-principle.
marlon

You feel the serial killer is promoting a "respect life" principle.

 

[Gale]

You find sAW disturbing but not Se7en? You mean that making a guy eat to death, and then kicking him and making him burst didn't disturb you? That's pretty messed up.

Seven had an underlying plot and morals involved. Saw did not. Seven was about a killer who actualized the "seven deadly sins." i appreciated the movie because underlying the violence and torture the message was about good vs evil and sinning and the moral dilemma at the end of the movie. The movie has killing, but was not created for the sake of watching people die. Seven is a MUCH better movie. The killing in the movie has purpose, and serves as a medium to get out its message about morals and values.

Saw had nothing of the sort. Its a movie created so that sick people can enjoy the murder and torture of human beings from the comfort of their home, under the guise of entertainment.

 

[Anttech]

Its only a fick guys, come on :-)

Its art.. its suppose to make u think, if u know what is right and what is wrong then no problems

 

[marlon]

Marlon, you made it very clear you think the serial killer is the good guy in Saw:

Your post #18
You feel the serial killer is promoting a "respect life" principle.

<sighs>

No Zooby,

I am not promoting such behaviour, i was outlining what the movie is about. I was illustrating the killer's motif. All these posts of mine are almost exact quotes from the movie. This is not my personal opinion. I don't even get how you come to such a conclusion ? Care to explain, hu ?

There is a line between fiction and reality, you know.

Besides, even if it were my opinion (which it is NOT), i really should not be answering to you, should I ? Care to explain, hu ?

regards
marlon

 

[Chi Meson]

I never saw saw. But a friend of mine did see saw. One of my students saw saw too and I think he was going to see saw two. My friend (who saw saw but did not see saw two) thought saw was so so. My student (who saw saw and went to see saw two too) thought saw was great. I don't intend to see saw and I won't say saw sucks, nor saw two (if I never saw saw two I can't say saw two sucks) but so many say saw is worth seeing and if you see saw you're supposed to see saw two too. But I won't be saying if saw, saw two, or anything I've never seen is worth seeing or if it sucks.Kicking a dead horse...

 

[JamesU]

Seven had an underlying plot and morals involved. ...and serves as a medium to get out its message about morals and values. .

So as long as the killings are biblical in nature means it's moral?

 

[Gale]

i did NOT say the killings were moral. I said the movie was a piece about morals and values, and the killing of the characters served to get the message out. I can appreciate the movie as an art piece because of this. I could not, however, appreciate an actuality of the movie. read more carefully, i never implied biblical means moral, nor did i imply the killings were moral. The MOVIE was ABOUT morals.

 

[DM]

Never pondered on seeing any Saw movie but it seems to me that this is another "scary movie" film genre.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I liked Saw 1, haven't seen Saw 2. Waiting to see Hostel: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450278/

 

[Evo]

I never saw saw. But a friend of mine did see saw. One of my students saw saw too and I think he was going to see saw two. My friend (who saw saw but did not see saw two) thought saw was so so. My student (who saw saw and went to see saw two too) thought saw was great. I don't intend to see saw and I won't say saw sucks, nor saw two (if I never saw saw two I can't say saw two sucks) but so many say saw is worth seeing and if you see saw you're supposed to see saw two too. But I won't be saying if saw, saw two, or anything I've never seen is worth seeing or if it sucks.

 

[JamesU]

I liked Saw 1, haven't seen Saw 2. Waiting to see Hostel: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450278/

I can't wait for that one. Looks very brutal though, I've seen some of the clips

 

[zoobyshoe]

<sighs>
No Zooby,
I am not promoting such behaviour,

I never said you were. I said, in effect, you are promoting approval of the character of the serial killer:

No, he made her realize something...LIFE IS PRECIOUS...Embrace it...
This movie promotes the "respect life"-principle.
marlon

i was outlining what the movie is about.

Which you characterized as:

This movie promotes the "respect life"-principle.
marlon

Which is a gross misunderstanding of the film. You are mistaking the killer's rationalization of his crimes as the principle the film is promoting.

I was illustrating the killer's motif.

In this film the killer rationalizes his crimes by claiming his victims didn't appreciate their lives. He adopts a false "high moral ground" to justify his sadism. However, you construe this as the movie promoting a "respect-life" principle. In other words, you think the killer is the good guy:

No, he made her realize something...LIFE IS PRECIOUS...Embrace it...
This movie promotes the "respect life"-principle.
marlon

What you are clearly saying here is that the killer is doing a good thing.
You think he is teaching people to appreciate life.
The movie is not promoting a "respect-life" principle. You are completely wrong in asserting that. The killer is also not teaching anyone that life is precious. He is just destroying their lives under the pretext that he is punishing people who deserve it.

All these posts of mine are almost exact quotes from the movie.

Which has what to do with anything?

This is not my personal opinion.

What's not your personal opinion? You are posting someone else's opinions here? If so, you neglected to say so.

There is a line between fiction and reality, you know.
Besides, even if it were my opinion (which it is NOT), i really should not be answering to you, should I ? Care to explain, hu ?
regards
marlon

Looks like when you don't know what to say you adopt a patronizing attitude.

 

[JamesU]

Zooby, got over it, it's a movie. HOSTEL is going to be a lot more senseless and brutal anyway:P

 

[zoobyshoe]

So as long as the killings are biblical in nature means it's moral?

Yommama, what are you up to? You've been consistantly mischaracterizing Gale's posts. Are you doing this on purpose?

 

[JamesU]

Yommama, what are you up to? You've been consistantly mischaracterizing Gale's posts. Are you doing this on purpose?

I am not "up to" anything. I'm asking her questions to understand what she means.