Scalar field energy for two delta function sources

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the energy shift in a scalar field described by the Klein-Gordon equation due to the presence of two time-independent point sources, specifically in an (N+1)-dimensional universe. Participants explore various mathematical techniques and integrals related to this problem, including the evaluation of integrals involving hypergeometric functions and Bessel functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral related to the energy shift and expresses difficulty in evaluating it in N+1 dimensions, noting that it leads to hypergeometric functions.
  • Another participant suggests expressing the denominator as an integral to facilitate evaluation, indicating a potential approach to simplify the integral.
  • A participant shares their attempt at a suggested approach but finds discrepancies when comparing results for N=3, indicating a possible error in their calculations.
  • Some participants discuss the validity of substitutions made during integration and the implications for the final result, with one noting a lost minus sign in their calculations.
  • There is mention of specific mathematical functions and references to resources that may aid in understanding the integrals involved.
  • Participants explore the limit of the energy expression as mass approaches zero, with one asking if this limit is a known result and seeking proof for general N.
  • Another participant suggests a method for deriving the massless case from the integral representation of the Bessel function.
  • Discussion includes the volume element in N-dimensions and its implications for the integration process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and approaches to the integral, with some agreeing on the validity of certain substitutions while others question their results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to evaluate the integral and the implications of the results for different dimensions.

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Limitations include unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific definitions of functions. The discussion highlights the complexity of integrating in higher dimensions and the challenges posed by hypergeometric functions.

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I'm trying to evaluate the energy shift in a scalar field described by the Klein-Gordon equation caused by adding two time-independent point sources. In Zee's Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell, he shows the derivation for a (3+1)-dimensional universe, and I'm trying to do the same for an (N+1)-dimensional universe.

At some point I obtain the integral

[tex] E = -\int \frac{d^N \vec{k}}{(2 \pi)^N} \frac{e^{i \vec{k} \cdot (\vec{x}_1 - \vec{x}_2)}}{\vec{k}^2 + m^2}[/tex]

where the two [itex]x[/itex] vectors are the locations of the sources. This integral isn't hard to evaluate for 3+1 dimensions, it can be done by going to spherical coordinates, where you get an integration over [itex]d(\cos{\theta})[/itex], making the exponential doable. However, in N+1 dimensions, going to hyperspherical coordinates, I can't perform any such simplification because the volume element contains not a simple sine, but a [itex]sin^{N-2}[/itex]. I tried this road and it gives me some hypergeometric function. Can anyone see how I might proceed with this integral?
 
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NanakiXIII said:
I tried this road and it gives me some hypergeometric function. Can anyone see how I might proceed with this integral?

"It" being Mathematica?

Some of the hypergeometric functions are bessel functions in disguise if that helps. But in any case, it the integral equals a hypergeometric function, then so be it. They are perfectly well defined functions just like sin and cos and scientific software can evaluate them.
 
Don't know whether this really works: Try to express the denominator as an integral over exp(-r(k^2+m^2) with r=0 to infinity. Then you can do a quadratic substitution and perform integration over shifted k. For the final integral over r you probably will have to substitute y=1/r.
 
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"It" being Mathematica?

Some of the hypergeometric functions are bessel functions in disguise if that helps. But in any case, it the integral equals a hypergeometric function, then so be it. They are perfectly well defined functions just like sin and cos and scientific software can evaluate them.

"It" being the integral, but yes, I had a look at what Mathematica had to say about it. Let me clarify. The full integral doesn't yield a hypergeometric function, just the angular integral, so I'm left with an integral over [itex]k[/itex] with the integrand consisting, among other things, of this hypergeometric function. I'm aware that the hypergeometric functions are well-defined and that they have specific special functions as special cases. The reason I'm not happy with it appearing is that the final result should be simpler, since I should be able to derive from it the analog of the inverse-square law in N dimensions. This leads me to think there might be a simpler way to do this integral, perhaps by choosing different coordinates or representing the dot product differently. I'm really just hoping someone has seen this integral before, since it's an exercise in Zee.

Try to express the denominator as an integral over exp(-r(k^2+m^2) with r=0 to infinity.

I'm not really sure right now how that will work, but I'll have a look at it. Thanks.
 
I tried DrDu's suggested approach and I got to an answer, but there's a problem. If I choose N=3 in the final result, things don't reduce to what I know the N=3 case should be. I haven't been able to find my mistake, if anyone would take a look I'd appreciate it. Here is what I did.

Writing

[tex] \frac{1}{k^2+m^2} = \int_{-\infty}^{0} dr e^{r(k^2+m^2)}[/tex]

the integral becomes

[tex] \int_{-\infty}^{0} dr \int \frac{d^N \vec{k}}{(2 \pi)^N} e^{r k^2 + i k(x1-x2) +r m^2}.[/tex]

Rewriting the exponential I get

[tex] \int_{-\infty}^{0} dr \int \frac{d^N \vec{k}}{(2 \pi)^N} e^{r (k + \frac{i (x1-x2)}{2 r})^2 + \frac{(x1-x2)^2}{4r} + r m^2}.[/tex]

I substitute [itex]u = (k + \frac{i (x1-x2)}{2 r}[/itex] to get

[tex] \int_{-\infty}^{0} dr \int \frac{d^N \vec{u}}{(2 \pi)^N} e^{r u^2 + \frac{(x1-x2)^2}{4r} + r m^2}.[/tex]

Pulling out the exponentials without dependence on [itex]u[/itex] and performing the integral over [itex]u[/itex] eventually gives me.

[tex] \int_{-\infty}^{0} dr e^{\frac{(x1-x2)^2}{4r} + r m^2} 2^{-N} (-r \pi)^{-N/2}.[/tex]

I didn't know how to do this integral, but apparently the resulting function goes like

[tex] |x1-x2|^{\frac{2+N}{2}} K_{-\frac{2+N}{2}}(\sqrt{m} |x1-x2|),[/tex]

where [itex]K_a[/itex] is the modified Bessel function of the second kind. If I substitute N = 3, I get an exponential multiplied with [itex]|x1-x2|[/itex] to powers 0, 1 and 2. The actual solution, however, is an exponential (this part is correct) multiplied by [itex]|x1-x2|[/itex] to the power of -1.

If anyone can spot a mistake in what I did, I'd appreciate it. Perhaps my substitution [itex]u[/itex] isn't valid? I'm not sure that it's okay for it to be a function of [itex]r[/itex].
 
Good boy! The substitution is ok. Wolfram alpha didn't do the integral for me. I suspected it to be some Bessel function as the exponent looks like the generating function. I don't know where the error comes from but the result you are looking for would be obtained if (N+2)/2 is replaced by (N-2)/2.
 
Thanks, that helped me spot my error. I had lost a minus sign (but somehow added it back when I typed the LaTeX code). How did you happen to notice this?

Now back to special functions to figure out how I do this by hand...
 
Thanks for the link. I had never actually encountered these specific functions, but the expression you referenced helped me figure out the integral. I'm still looking at one more problem, though. I've obtained the expression

[tex] E = (2 \pi)^{-\frac{N}{2}} m^{\frac{N-2}{2}} |x1-x2|^{\frac{2-N}{2}} K_{\frac{N-2}{2}}(m |x1-x2|).[/tex]

Now I need to take the limit of [itex]m[/itex] goes to zero. I had a look at some of the individual limits for different [itex]N[/itex], and it seems that

[tex] \lim_{m \rightarrow 0} m^{\frac{N-2}{2}} K_{\frac{N-2}{2}}(m |x1-x2|) = |x1-x2|^{\frac{2-N}{2}}.[/tex]

Is this a known result or does anyone see how I might prove this limit for general [itex]N[/itex]?
 
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I'm afraid I've never seen that book before in my life. We used Riley, Hobson & Bence. It looks like it contains a lot of information, perhaps I should get a copy (or bookmark that site, at least).

Any way, thanks again. I can finally cross this pesky integral off my list.
 
  • #12
I just wanted to point out that the massless case can be quite easily derived from the integral representation of the Bessel function you were deriving.
 
  • #13
Yes, you're right. I haven't tried, but setting mass to zero I could have just partially integrated [itex]N/2[/itex] times to get to my final result, I think. Is that what you meant?
 
  • #14
I thought in something like introducing a new variable of integration q=-(Delta x)^2/4r, then you get hopefully the pre-factor (Delta x)^(2-N) and the integral over q is the defining function of the Gamma function.
 
  • #15
Sounds about right. I looked up the standard integral

[tex] \int_0^\infty x^n e^{-a x} dx = \frac{\Gamma(n+1)}{a^{n+1}}[/tex]

and applied that after substituting [itex]y = 1/r[/itex], that worked perfectly. Thanks for the tip.
 
  • #16
The volume element in N-dimensions is given by:

[tex] dV_{N} = r^{N - 1} \, dr \, d\Omega_{N}[/tex]

where the solid angle is:

[tex] d\Omega_{N} = \frac{2 \, \left[\Gamma(\frac{1}{2})\right]^{\frac{N - 1}{2}}}{\Gamma\left(\frac{N - 1}{2}\right)} \, \sin^{N - 2}{\theta} \, d\theta, \; 0 \le \theta \le \pi [/tex]
 

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