Schrodinger equation, lowest potential energy

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of particles in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the Schrödinger equation and the concept of potential energy. Participants explore how wavefunctions relate to potential energy minima and the implications for systems like the harmonic oscillator and hydrogen atom.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that, similar to classical mechanics, quantum particles tend to be found in regions of least potential energy, as indicated by the density of the wavefunction.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that in both classical and quantum mechanics, particles do not predominantly occupy the lowest potential energy regions, using the one-dimensional harmonic oscillator as an example where particles are more likely to be found at turning points.
  • A different viewpoint acknowledges that while the ground state may support the idea of wavefunctions being denser in low potential areas, there is uncertainty regarding a rigorous proof of this concept.
  • This participant also discusses the variational approach in quantum mechanics, explaining how trial wavefunctions are used to approximate ground state energies and noting that the kinetic term affects the localization of wavefunctions around potential minima.
  • Another participant introduces the WKB approximation as a relevant consideration for understanding amplitude variation in quantum systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between wavefunction density and potential energy minima, with no consensus reached on the validity of the initial claim regarding particle behavior in quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about wavefunction behavior and the dependence on specific systems like the harmonic oscillator and hydrogen atom. The implications of kinetic energy on wavefunction localization are also noted but not resolved.

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Classically, particles seek configurations of least potential energy. Something like this happens in QM: the wavefunction will usually be densest in those areas the potential energy is smallest. But looking at the Schrödinger equation itself, I can't see intuitively why this should be.
 
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But this is not true, either in classical or quantum mechanics. As an example look at the one-dimensional harmonic oscillator. The particle does not spend most of its time at the bottom of the well, rather it likes to be at the turning points. Same holds in QM - the wavefunctions have their greatest amplitude at the turning points. See page 8 http://puccini.che.pitt.edu/~karlj/Classes/CHE2101/l10.pdf, for example.
 
It seems to be true for the ground state, however I don't know if there's a rigorous proof; look at the qm harmonic oscillator, the hydrogen atom etc.

This idea is used directly in the variational approach to find approximations to the ground state energy and wave function. One starts with an Hamiltonian H and a trial wave function ψα depending on some parameters α. Instead of solving the Schrödinger equation one minimizes the energy expectation value <E> wr.t. α

[tex]\text{min}_\alpha\, E(\alpha) = \text{min}_\alpha\,\langle\psi_\alpha | H | \psi_\alpha \rangle \;\to\, \nabla_\alpha\,E(\alpha) = 0[/tex]

For the potential term in H only it is obvious that this could be achieved by maximizing the wave function in a region where the potential has its minimum. But due to the kinetic term ~p² it will not be possible to strictly localize the wave function; it will spread out around the minimum of the potential.

It can be shown that for this approximation the relation

[tex]\langle\psi_\alpha | H | \psi_\alpha \rangle \ge \langle\phi_0|H|\phi_0\rangle[/tex]

holds, i.e. the trial wave function does never underestimate the ground state energy.
 

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