Scintillation detector's output

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the output mechanisms of scintillation detectors, particularly focusing on the relationship between input energy and emission output intensity. Participants explore concepts related to the photoelectric effect, ionization processes, and energy transfer within the detector material.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the emission output intensity of scintillation detectors is proportional to input energy, questioning the role of multiple ionizations in this process.
  • Another participant suggests that multiple ionizations are expected and questions why an electron would stop ionizing after a single event, referencing the Central Limit Theorem to support the averaging of energy outcomes.
  • A participant notes the surprising possibility of a photon undergoing many photoelectric absorptions in quick succession, acknowledging this as a fundamental aspect of how the detector operates.
  • Another participant clarifies that photons interact with electrons, which then move through the material and cause excitations, losing energy with each interaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the mechanisms of ionization and energy transfer in scintillation detectors. Some express confusion while others provide explanations, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific energy outputs from ionizations, the conditions under which multiple ionizations occur, and the implications of energy loss during excitations. The discussion does not clarify these points definitively.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the technical workings of scintillation detectors, the photoelectric effect, and ionization processes in materials.

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I'm looking at scintillation detectors and I'm quite confused to the output of the crystal. My notes just say emission output has intensity proportional to input energy. How though? I mean surely for the Photoelectric effect there is a huge spectrum of output energies depending upon shell jumped. If you consider 1 of these energies you would need multiple ionisations to occur to increase intensity output. If multiple are occurring, why? Additionally how can you get mostly PE absorptions at high energy, like ~140kev. Is it say a 140kev photon is absorbed, releasing a 138kev electron? That causes 69 further ionisations. That would make some sense but I'm still confused to what exactly is going on. Plus even with 70 ionisations taking place, if you consider 1 energy output there is only a chance of this occurring. It could be k-alpha, k-beta ect. Are all considered?
 
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Darren93 said:
If you consider 1 of these energies you would need multiple ionisations to occur to increase intensity output.

Which you do.

Darren93 said:
If multiple are occurring, why?

Why not? Why should an electron suddenly stop ionizing after it's done so once?

And yes, the energy of ionization varies. But you're taking an average, and the Central Limit Theorem helps you here. Also, remember that all the energy has to end up somewhere. Double that energy, and twice as much has to end up somewhere as well.
 
I just found it odd that it was possible for a photon to undergo ~50 photoelectric absorption's all relatively instantaneously. Well with any large degree of occurrence. Turns out that's what the detector relies upon, thanks.
 
No, the photons hit electrons, those move through the material and lead to the excitations, losing a bit of energy each time.
 

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