Seemingly simple system of equations

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two forces, P and Q, applied to a crate, with specific magnitudes and angles. The goal is to determine the angles theta and phi based on the horizontal components of the forces and their resultant force.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up equations based on the sine and cosine components of the forces but struggles to find a solution. Some participants suggest using graphing methods to find intersections of functions derived from the equations. Others propose algebraic manipulations, including isolating trigonometric functions and squaring equations to apply the Pythagorean identity.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, including graphical solutions and algebraic manipulation. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but multiple lines of reasoning are being discussed.

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The original poster notes that additional context from a diagram was omitted, which may affect the interpretation of the forces and angles involved. There is also an indication of uncertainty about the wording of the problem.

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Homework Statement



There are two forces P and Q that are applied to a crate, with their respective magnitudes 100 and 200 N. One is applied at an angle upward with angle theta, and one is applied at an angle downward with angle phi. Both have positive horizontal components and the sum of the two forces has a magnitude of 250 N directly horizontal to the right. I need to find the angles theta and phi.

Homework Equations



None explicitly given.

The Attempt at a Solution



100sin(theta) = 200sin(phi)
100cos(theta) + 200cos(phi) = 250
theta = arcsin(2sin(phi))
Then I plug it in and cannot solve.

Another route I tried was keeping P and Q in instead of substituting in their magnitudes.
Psin(theta) = Qsin(phi)
Pcos(theta) + Qcos(phi) = 250
P = Qsin(phi)/sin(theta)
Qsin(phi)/tan(theta) + Qcos(phi) = 250
Again I cannot finish solving.

If something was badly worded or confusing please let me know. This problem is from a book so rather than writing the problem as exactly stated, I had to add some more information because there was a picture as well. Thanks for your time, I'm really stuck on this.
 
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I'm assuming you at least have a graphing calculator. In function mode just do y1=250 and y2=100cos(arcsin(2sin(phi))) + 200cos(phi) = 250, which is what you had. Find the right range and domain and the intersection points will be your answer. you could also set it equal to 0 and fin the zeros.
 
Your two equations look like:

[tex]P cos(\theta) + Q cos(\phi) = F_h[/tex]
[tex]P sin(\theta) + Q sin(\phi) = 0[/tex]

Isolate cos(Θ) and sin(Θ), or cos(Φ) and sin(Φ) on one side of each equation. Square both sides of each. Add the equations. sin2 + cos2 = 1. Solve for the remaining angle. Note that sign information may be lost in the squaring process, so check the result for signs.
 
His solution is more intelligent. I recommend that.
 

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