Statics: two unknown angles and resultant force

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two forces, P and Q, applied to a crate, with known magnitudes and a resultant force directed along the +x axis. The task is to determine the angles that these forces make with the horizontal axis.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up equations based on the components of the forces but expresses confusion regarding the algebra involved. They consider the possibility of using calculus based on a similar problem previously encountered.
  • Some participants suggest exploring the tangent function to relate the angles, while others note that this leads to complications due to the presence of multiple variables.
  • One participant proposes drawing a force triangle to visualize the relationships between the forces and their angles.

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Participants note that all necessary information is provided except for the angles, and there is a recognition that the problem may involve specific algebraic tricks or geometric interpretations that have not yet been fully articulated.

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Homework Statement



Two forces P and Q with respective magnitudes 100N and 200N are applied to the upper corner of a crate. The sum of the two forces is to the right (+x direction) with a magnitude of 250N. Find the angles that P and Q make with their sum - that is, with the horizontal line through +x axis.


Homework Equations



R = P + Q where R is the resultant vector and P and Q are vectors given in the problem

Rx = Px + Qx = 250

Ry = Py + Qy = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



All the information is given except the two angles. Plugging in the given values gives me the equation:

\SigmaRx = 100cos(\theta) + 200cos(\phi) = 250N

\SigmaRy = 100sin(\theta) - 200sin(\phi) = 0

where theta is the angle between P and R and phi is the angle between Q and R.

Basically this comes down to confusion on algebra for me. I attempted substitution and that got me nowhere. I know there is some kind of trick to solving this, but I cannot figure it out. There are two equations and two unknowns so there must be a way to do it. I have worked a similar problem where one of the angles is known and the other was supposed to be at a maximum and calculus could be used there. Is that a possibility in this problem or is there just a little trick that I am missing?
 
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How about tan(\theta) does that equal anything?
 
I tried that, but still had phi in the expression.

Rx: sin(\theta) = 2sin(\phi)

Ry: 2.5 - 2cos(\phi)


I thought that since magnitude of R is sqrt[Rx^2 + Ry^2] = 250 things might cancel out. Well all the angles canceled out so i just got an incorrect expression.

I tried Ry/Rx just for fun, to get a tan expression and that was not beneficial because nothing canceled out there either. I just thought about this though: if you take tan inverse of Ry/Rx the resultant angle will be 0 since the resultant is about the x-axis. However, that means little as I don't know if you can evaluate arctan[0.8sin\phi) - tan(\phi)]
 
Since vectors add head-to-tail, could you maybe draw a force triangle with P, Q, and R and find the angles that way?
 

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