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100cos(θ) + 200cos(ω) = 250

100sin(θ) + 200sin(ω) = 0

How do you go about solving a system like this?

It's nonlinear, so linear algebra won't work...

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In summary: W9DlTIn summary, the conversation revolved around solving a system of equations involving trigonometric functions. One approach suggested converting to a phase representation, while another suggested using a matrix method iteration scheme. An analytic solution was also discussed, with two potential approaches suggested: using algebra or geometry. The conversation ended with the realization that there is no general solution for this type of problem and that a numerical method would be necessary. Additionally, a poster asked for help solving a similar problem with 5 equations and 5 unknowns, and later mentioned a more complex model with 14 trigonometric equations and unknowns.

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100cos(θ) + 200cos(ω) = 250

100sin(θ) + 200sin(ω) = 0

How do you go about solving a system like this?

It's nonlinear, so linear algebra won't work...

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For this particular problem, you will want to convert to a phase representation:

http://www.mathcentre.ac.uk/resources/workbooks/mathcentre/web-rcostheta-alphaetc.pdf

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chiro said:

For this particular problem, you will want to convert to a phase representation:

http://www.mathcentre.ac.uk/resources/workbooks/mathcentre/web-rcostheta-alphaetc.pdf

Thanks for that helpful link, but I don't think it applies to my system very much since I have two different angles. Am I wrong?

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I solved the system numerically, but I was wondering if any analytical solution exists.

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In this case yes the numerical method is the best method. You are better off using a matrix method iteration scheme and you iterate until you get a change that is small enough from your last iteration.

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Algebra

We might try simplifying things by getting rid of the trig functions. In this case we can let ##\sin \theta = x## and ##\sin \omega = y##. Then ##\cos \theta = \sqrt{1 - x^2}## and ##\cos \omega = \sqrt{1 - y^2}##. With a little bit of massaging I believe you should get a quartic equation in one variable (or at any rate something like that) and can solve the whole thing.

Geometry

View the equations as components of an equation in vectors:

##100\begin{bmatrix}\cos \theta \\ \sin \theta\end{bmatrix} + 200\begin{bmatrix}\cos \omega \\ \sin \omega\end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}250 \\ 0 \end{bmatrix}.## Since the two vectors on the left hand side are unit vectors, this is really a geometry problem: you are asked to find the angles of a triangle whose side lengths are 100, 200, and 250 units. (You'll have to do a little work to figure out the signs of θ and ω.) Use your favorite techniques from analytic geometry (Law of Cosines).

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Square both equations.

Add the two and, after using sin

Solve for ω. and return to the original to solve for θ.

[I get cos ω = 92500 / 100000 = 0.925]

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cytochrome said:

100cos(θ) + 200cos(ω) = 250

100sin(θ) + 200sin(ω) = 0

How do you go about solving a system like this?

It's nonlinear, so linear algebra won't work...

cyto, how would I go about solving the general case? Can you explain that to me please? I'd prefer a nice, short, well-written explanation. I mean the case:

[tex]F=a[/tex]

[tex]G=b[/tex]

where F and G are some type of sine and cosine expressions. Well, what I'm getting at is that you really haven't solved this problem until you can. That's all.

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jackmell said:cyto, how would I go about solving the general case? Can you explain that to me please? I'd prefer a nice, short, well-written explanation. I mean the case:

[tex]F=a[/tex]

[tex]G=b[/tex]

where F and G are some type of sine and cosine expressions. Well, what I'm getting at is that you really haven't solved this problem until you can. That's all.

There is no general solution. Each problem is unique.

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cytochrome said:I solved the system numerically, but I was wondering if any analytical solution exists.

Hello, jumping in a tad (sic...) late on this post but I'd like to ask what numerical method you would have used to solve this set of equation.

I have derived the equations of equilibrium and geometric compatibility of a statically indeterminate system. I am left with a system of 5 equations and 5 unknown. The equations use trig functions and 3 different unknown angles.

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freddo said:Hello, jumping in a tad (sic...) late on this post but I'd like to ask what numerical method you would have used to solve this set of equation.

I have derived the equations of equilibrium and geometric compatibility of a statically indeterminate system. I am left with a system of 5 equations and 5 unknown. The equations use trig functions and 3 different unknown angles. I have tried to simplify the system using trig transformations but to no avail. I want to write an app to solve this set of equation. An analytical solution would have been great but I think I'll have to resort to numerical methods.

I later complexified my model a bit and ended up with a set of 14 trig equation with as many unknowns. So that one will definitely require a numerical method.

If some of you would actually like to see the physical model, I'd be happy to post a sketch of it. Maybe someone would have a better way of solving it. Let me know.

Thanks

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