Selecting the Right Water Pump for 1500mm x 30m Hollow Pile

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around selecting an appropriate water pump for removing salt water from a hollow driven pile, which is 1500mm in diameter and 30m in length, containing approximately 20m of seawater. Participants explore various factors influencing pump selection, including operational requirements and technical specifications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on choosing a pump, noting their lack of experience with pumps.
  • Another participant suggests gathering more information about the operation, including whether it is a one-time or continuous task, and the type of drive mechanism to be used.
  • Concerns are raised about the salinity of the water and its implications for pump material selection.
  • Participants discuss the need to consider the height and angle for moving the water out of the pile.
  • A suggestion is made to consult salvage pump manufacturers for technical advice.
  • One participant estimates the volume of water in the pile and discusses the need for a pump that can be lowered into the pile, considering power supply options.
  • Another participant clarifies that the pumping will be a repeated task and emphasizes the need for calculations to determine the appropriate pump size and pressure head.
  • A suggestion is made to look into sump pumps, with uncertainty about their compatibility with salt water.
  • A crude estimate of the power required to pump water up 30 meters is provided, along with assumptions about pump efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of knowledge and experience regarding pump selection, leading to multiple viewpoints and suggestions. No consensus is reached on the best approach or specific pump model.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight several considerations, including the operational context (one-time vs. repeated use), the type of water being pumped, and the necessary calculations for pump selection. There are unresolved questions about the efficiency and suitability of different pump types for the specific conditions described.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals involved in engineering, construction, or environmental management, particularly those dealing with water removal in similar contexts.

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I need to select a pump that will remove all the salt water from the inside of a hollow driven pile. The pile 1500mm diameter and is 30m in length probably containing around 20m sea water.
does anyone have any ideas on how i go about choosing the right pump for the job?
I have no experience with pumps so any help at all would be apprectiated.
 
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Hi, Bert;
Unfortunately, I know just about nothing in regard to this subject. It does seem to me, however, that more information would be helpful.
Is this a one-time deal, or a continuous operation? What sort of drive mechanism do you have in mind (electric of what wattage, gas, diesel, goats on a treadmill...)?
Does the term "salt water" mean raw seawater, or something with even higher salinity? That might make a difference when choosing materials for your equipment.
How far, and at what angle, do you have to move the efflux?
There are more considerations, but this is just a bit of a "heads up" to get you prepped.
 
I'd google salvage pump manufacturers and talk to their technical sales people
 
I would guess that you have over 1000 cubic feet (7500 U.S. gallons) of water in the pile, and because of its depth, you will have to lower an electric pump down into the pile. The pump has to be roughly 5 meters or less above the water surface. The pump could be operated either off the local utility, or off an alternator. So if you pumped 7.5 gpm, it would take ~100 hours. What is your timescale?
 
Some more info,
We are going to have to do this over and over, thesea water in the pile needs to be pumped vertically up the pile and out into the water.
We will be using a submersible pump, we can supply power from a generator we have nearby.
I suppose what I need to know is what calculations do I have to do to chose the right pump (ie a big enough one 10kW, 5 kW etc)
When I calculate the pressure head how do i know that my chosen pump will be able to perform the task effectively a number of times.
 
look up "sump pump". Not sure whether they have any problem w/ salt water.
 
OK
Here is a very crude estimate of the power required to pump 10 gpm (gallons per minute) up 30 meters (worst case).
Assume 60% pump electrical to mechanical efficiency
Assume pump 60% hydraulic efficiency
10 gallons = 38 kg
W =38 x 30 x 9.81/(0.6 x 0.6) = 31,000 joules per minute = 520 watts

You can scale from this.
 

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