Selection rules in electric dipole appoximation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the selection rules in the electric dipole approximation, specifically focusing on the differences between angular momentum changes denoted by ##\Delta j## and ##\Delta l##. Participants explore the implications of these rules in the context of photon interactions and angular momentum conservation.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that literature presents different selection rules, with one stating ##\Delta j = 0,-1,1## while others mention ##\Delta l = -1,1##, questioning the reason for this discrepancy.
  • It is proposed that ##\Delta l = \pm 1## arises from conservation of angular momentum due to the spin of the photon, while ##\hat{\jmath} = \hat{l} + \hat{s}## allows for combinations of ##l## and ##s## that can lead to unchanged ##j## under certain conditions.
  • One participant highlights that transitions with ##j = 0## to ##j' = 0## are forbidden, indicating that such transitions are only allowed for ##j \geq 1##.
  • There is a clarification regarding the change in magnetic quantum number, where one participant questions whether ##s## should replace ##m_l##, to which another participant responds that the electromagnetic field does not couple to spin, maintaining ##\Delta S = 0## for many-electron atoms.
  • An example of a transition from ##1s_{1/2}## to ##2p_{1/2}## is proposed as a relevant case to illustrate the selection rules.
  • A detailed example is provided where an atom transitions by absorbing a ##\sigma^-## photon, detailing the changes in quantum numbers and the possibility of different final states resulting from the same photon interaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the selection rules, with no consensus reached regarding the interpretation of ##\Delta j## and ##\Delta l##. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore various aspects of angular momentum and photon interactions.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of angular momentum and the conditions under which transitions are allowed are not fully explored, leaving room for further clarification. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific quantum states and the implications of photon spin.

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Some literatures say that the selection rule in electric dipole approx. for angular momentum ##\Delta j = 0,-1,1## some other say ##\Delta l = -1,1##. I follow the notation used in my references, despite the difference I think since j and l are both angular momenta which fulfill angular momentum commutation relations, I can regard them to be the same. But why are they different?
 
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##\Delta l = \pm 1## is due to conservation of angular momentum, as a photon has spin 1. But since ##\hat{\jmath} = \hat{l} + \hat{s}##, you can find combinations of ##l## and ##s## (or ##m_l## and ##m_s##) such that ##l## changes by 1, but ##m_l## changes also such that ##j## doesn't change. Note that this is not possible when ##j = 0##, such that ##j = 0 \rightarrow j'=0## transitions are forbidden (i.e., only for ##j \geq 1## is ##\Delta j = 0## allowed).
 
DrClaude said:
but ##m_l## changes
Did you mean ##s## in place of ##m_l##?
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Did you mean ##s## in place of ##m_l##?
No. The electromagnetic field doesn't couple to spin, so you have ##\Delta S = 0## for many-electron atoms.
 
If I take an example of transition from ##1s_{1/2}## to ##2p_{1/2}##, would that be a good example?
 
Starting from ##l=0, m_l = 0, s= 1/2, m_s = 1/2, j= 1/2, m_j = 1/2##, the atom can absorb a ##\sigma^-## photon (##\Delta l = 1##, ##\Delta m_l = -1##), to end up in the state with ##l=1, m_l = -1, s= 1/2, m_s = 1/2, j= 1/2, m_j = -1/2##.

Note that the same photon can also lead to a transition to ##l=1, m_l = -1, s= 1/2, m_s = 1/2, j= 3/2, m_j = -1/2##.
 
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