Self consistent spin wave theory

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The discussion revolves around the self-consistent spin wave theory (SCSW) and its Hamiltonian formulation. Participants explore the definitions and implications of various terms in the Hamiltonian, particularly focusing on the fourth-order term, \(\hat{H}^{SC}_4\), and its relation to magnon interactions. The conversation includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning related to the application of different approximation methods.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the Hamiltonian for SCSW and asks for clarification on the definition of \(\hat{H}^{SC}_4\).
  • Post 2 presents a specific form of \(\hat{H}^{SC}_4\) from a textbook and requests an explanation.
  • Post 3 seeks confirmation on a mathematical manipulation involving bosonic operators and their averages.
  • Post 4 suggests that the manipulation may relate to Wick's theorem.
  • Post 5 proposes that the method discussed resembles Bogoliubov's approach.
  • Post 6 challenges the previous assertions, indicating that the method may not fit either Wick's theorem or Bogoliubov's method.
  • Post 7 introduces the idea of an approximation of identity in the context of operator products.
  • Post 9 identifies the discussion as related to mean field theory, particularly in the context of weakly coupled superconductors.
  • Post 10 acknowledges a mistake in the Hamiltonian formulation and provides a corrected version.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the mathematical manipulations and the theoretical frameworks being applied. There is no consensus on whether the methods discussed align with Wick's theorem, Bogoliubov's method, or mean field theory, indicating a contested discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific mathematical identities and approximations without fully resolving the implications or correctness of these approaches. The discussion includes various assumptions about the operators involved and their averages, which remain unresolved.

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\hat{H}=\hat{H}_0+S\sum_{i,j}I_{i,j}(\hat{a}_i\hat{b}_j+\hat{a}_i^+\hat{b}_j^++\hat{b}<br /> ^+_j\hat{b}_j+\hat{a}<br /> ^+_i\hat{a}_i)-\sum_{i,j}I_{i,j}[\frac{1}{2}(\hat{a}_i\hat{b}<br /> ^+_j\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j+\hat{a}^+_i\hat{a}^+_i\hat{a}_i\hat{b}<br /> ^+_j)+\hat{a}<br /> ^+_i\hat{a}_i\hat{b}<br /> ^+_j\hat{b}_j]

\hat{a}_i,\hat{a}_i^+,\hat{b}_j,\hat{b}_j^+ - bose operators

SCSW - theory

\hat{H}=\hat{H}_0+\hat{H}_2+\hat{H}_4^{SC}

\hat{H}_2=S\sum_{i,j}I_{i,j}(\hat{a}_i\hat{b}_j+\hat{a}_i^+\hat{b}_j^++\hat{b}<br /> ^+_j\hat{b}_j+\hat{a}<br /> ^+_i\hat{a}_i)

How is \hat{H}^{SC}_{4} defined?

Term-\sum_{i,j}I_{i,j}[\frac{1}{2}(\hat{a}_i\hat{b}<br /> ^+_j\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j+\hat{a}^+_i\hat{a}^+_i\hat{a}_i\hat{b}<br /> ^+_j)+\hat{a}<br /> ^+_i\hat{a}_i\hat{b}<br /> ^+_j\hat{b}_j] represent magnon - magnon interractions.
 
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In textbook which I had

\hat{H}_4^{SC}=-\sum_{i,j}I_{i,j}[\hat{a}^+_i\hat{a}_i(\langle<br /> \hat{b}^+_j\hat{b}_j\rangle+\langle\hat{b}^+_j\hat{a}^+_i\rangle)+\hat{b}^+_j\hat{b}_j(\langle\hat{a}^+_i\hat{a}_i\rangle+<br /> \langle\hat{b}_j\hat{a}_i\rangle)+\hat{a}_i\hat{b}_j(\langle\hat{a}_i^+\hat{b}_j^+\rangle+\langle\hat{b}_j^+\hat{b}_j\rangle)<br /> +\frac{1}{2}\hat{a}_i^+\hat{a}_i^+\langle\hat{b}_j^+\hat{a}_i\rangle+\frac{1}{2}\hat{a}_i^+\hat{a}_i^+\langle \hat{b}_j^+\hat{a}_i<br /> \rangle+\frac{1}{2}\hat{b}_j^+\hat{a}_i(\langle \hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j\rangle+\frac{1}{2}\langle\hat{a}_i^+\hat{a}_i\rangle)]

Can you explain me this?
 
Any help?

For example

\hat{a}_i^+\hat{a}_i\hat{b}_j^+\hat{b}_j=\hat{a}_i^+\hat{a}_i\langle \hat{b}_j^+\hat{b}_j \rangle+\hat{b}_j^+\hat{b}_j\langle \hat{a}_i^+\hat{a}_i \rangle+\hat{a}_i\hat{b}^+_j\langle \hat{a}_i^+\hat{b}_j \rangle+\hat{a}_i^+\hat{b}_j \langle\hat{a}_i\hat{b}_j^+\rangle+\hat{a}_i^+\hat{b}_j^+\langle \hat{a}_i\hat{b}_j\rangle+\hat{a}_i\hat{b}_j\langle \hat{a}_i^+\hat{b}_j^+ \rangle

Correct? Can you explain me this? Thanks!
 
This is more like a Bogoliubov's method.
 
I think that is neither of that!
 
This is some kind of approximation.

Maybe approximation of identity

\hat{A}\hat{B}=\hat{A}\langle \hat{B} \rangle+\langle\hat{A}\rangle \hat{B}-\langle\hat{A}\hat{B}\rangle+(\hat{A}-\langle \hat{A}\rangle)(\hat{B}-\langle \hat{B}\rangle)

?

\hat{A}\hat{B}=\hat{A}\langle \hat{B} \rangle+\langle\hat{A}\rangle \hat{B}-\langle\hat{A}\hat{B}\rangle+(\hat{A}-\langle \hat{A}\rangle)(\hat{B}-\langle \hat{B}\rangle)

\hat{C}\hat{D}=\hat{C}\langle \hat{D} \rangle+\langle\hat{C}\rangle \hat{D}-\langle\hat{C}\hat{D}\rangle+(\hat{C}-\langle \hat{C}\rangle)(\hat{D}-\langle \hat{D}\rangle)

So

\hat{A}\hat{B}\hat{C}\hat{D}=?

Anybody knows?
 
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Any idea?
 
This is a method of mean field theory.

It is used for the weak coupled superconductor.

if there is only <a+a>, that is Hartree-Fock approximation.
If there contains <a+a+> or <aa>, that is mean field theory.
 
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I made a mistake in Hamiltonian

It looks like

\hat{H}_4^{SC}=-\sum_{i,j}I_{i,j}\{\hat{a}^+_i\hat{a}_i(\langle \hat{b}^+_j\hat{b}_j\rangle+\langle<br /> \hat{a}^+_i\hat{b}^+_j\rangle)+\hat{b}^+_j\hat{b}_j(\langle<br /> \hat{a}^+_i\hat{a}_i\rangle+\langle\hat{a}_i\hat{b}_j\rangle)+\hat{a}_i\hat{b}_j(\langle<br /> \hat{a}^+_i\hat{b}^+_j\rangle+\langle\hat{b}^+_j\hat{b}_j\rangle)+\frac{1}{2}\hat{a}^+_i\hat{a}^+_i\langle\hat{a}_i\hat{b}<br /> ^+_j\rangle+\frac{1}{2}\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j\langle\hat{a}_i\hat{b}<br /> ^+_j\rangle+\frac{1}{2}\hat{a}_i\hat{b}^+_j(\langle\hat{a}^+_i\hat{a}^+_i\rangle+\langle\hat{b}_j\hat{b}_j\rangle)\}
 

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