Self-deterministic probability distribution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of self-deterministic probability distributions, exploring whether linear probability distributions can evolve chaotically and how random statistics might reinforce certain values. Participants delve into the implications of path-dependency in probability distributions and the relationship between cardinality and probability.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether linear probability distributions can evolve chaotically and if random statistics can reinforce specific outcomes nonrandomly, drawing parallels to quantum models.
  • Another participant proposes defining a distribution in the kth iteration based on outcomes from the k-1st iteration, suggesting a family of cumulative uniform distributions that could oscillate between values.
  • A participant expresses concern about the cardinality of all probabilities, indicating a shift in focus within the discussion.
  • A blog post is referenced, which contains related ideas about entropy, diversity, and cardinality, suggesting a connection to the ongoing discussion.
  • One participant agrees with a previous response and introduces the idea that fractals might be involved, discussing the relationship between cardinality and probability through the lens of exponential entropy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of probability distributions and their properties, with no clear consensus reached on the questions posed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of chaos theory and the cardinality of probabilities.

Contextual Notes

Participants explore complex concepts related to probability distributions, chaos theory, and cardinality without fully resolving the mathematical implications or definitions involved.

Loren Booda
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Do linear probability distributions in pure mathematics ever evolve chaotically? In other words, can random statistics tend to reinforce certain singular values nonrandomly? I am reminded of quantum models that favor definite, discrete outcomes.
 
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I'm not familiar with chaos theory, so I may be committing a type III statistical error (a.k.a. "answering the wrong question").

Could you get there by defining the distribution in the kth iteration as a function of the outcome(s) in the k-1st iteration?

E.g., if I were to define the family of cumulative uniform distributions Uk(x) = x/ak where ak is the realization in the k-1st stage (and say, a0 = 1), then Uk --> 0 (at least in expectation).

Then, one can define a set of such families, each family having its own rule of path-dependency. (E.g., I can also define another uniform family Vk that converges to 1, and define the set as {Uk(U), Vk(V)}.) Finally, one can come up with a random selection rule over the set, so that the observed outcomes seem to randomly oscillate toward 0 and 1.

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Let me express my concern as clearly as I can: what is the cardinality of all probabilities?

Sorry for the diversion on the way here, Enuma Elish.
 
E.E.,

Your response is about as right on as I could ask. The initial blog (as I think I understand its first half) and its references are intriguing and interesting. My sense tells me that fractals might be directly involved there.

The definition "cardinality as the ‘effective number of points’" is a good starting place. (I guess a "metric space" is one that can be assigned probability.) Exponential entropy, a new concept to me, compares well to cardinality. This seems the meditation between cardinality and probability I seek.
 

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