Separate Ethanol from Water: Hydrogen Bonding

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The discussion revolves around the separation of ethanol from water using fractional distillation, focusing on the challenges posed by hydrogen bonding and the limitations of achieving high concentrations of ethanol. Participants explore various methods and compounds that could influence boiling points and separation efficiency.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the effectiveness of fractional distillation and the impact of hydrogen bonding on ethanol recovery. Questions arise about alternative methods to weaken hydrogen bonds and the potential for using other compounds to increase water's boiling point. There is also curiosity about the interaction between salt and ethanol.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights about the limitations of fractional distillation and suggesting alternative methods, such as the addition of benzene or oxidation of ethanol. Multiple approaches are being considered, but no consensus has been reached on the best method for achieving a higher concentration of ethanol.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of achieving more than 96% ethanol concentration through fractional distillation and the potential for moisture absorption in ethanol. There is also mention of the boiling point of water and its manipulation through the addition of compounds.

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Hi, i have more of a chemistry than a physics question. I am conducting an experiment to separate ethanol from water via fractional distillation, however through calculations i have found that some of the ethanol remains bonded to the water due to the strong hydrogen bonds. Is there any other way of weakening hydrogen bonds other than just simply heating the solution?
 
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samaank said:
Hi, i have more of a chemistry than a physics question. I am conducting an experiment to separate ethanol from water via fractional distillation,..

You can not get ethanol more concentrated than 96% by fractional distillation. "Absolute" ethanol is obtained by distillation, if some amount of benzene is added. (I do not know the details, look after. ) Or you can dry the ethanol by pieces of freshly cut potassium metal.


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hhmmm, ok thanks, this lead me to another question. you can increase the boiling point of water by adding salt to it, is there any other compound that could be added to water to increase the boiling point of water higher than salt does?

my idea is that if you can increase water's boiling point far enough you can increase the water/ethanol solution temperature to say about 92 degrees celsius, which will boil almost all of the ethanol (with a boiling point of 87.3 degrees celsius) and not boil any water with it, because sometimes water boils at less than 100 degrees.
 
Depends what you're after but if you oxidise the ethonol to ethanal you reduce it's boiling point to 20 odd dergees C. But if you want to keep it as ethanol then the benzene method is the best, but even then it will absorb moisture from the atmosphere until it reaches 96% ethanol.
 
hey does salt dissovle or react with ethanol ?
 

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