Separating Variables in a Nonlinear Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around a nonlinear differential equation of the form (y - yx^2)dy/dx = (y + 1)^2. Participants are exploring methods for separating variables and integrating both sides of the equation.

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  • Participants discuss attempts to separate variables and integrate the resulting expressions. There are questions about the correctness of their manipulations and integration methods, including the use of partial fractions and substitution techniques.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the correctness of each other's work, with suggestions for using partial fractions and substitution methods. There is ongoing exploration of integration techniques, and while some participants express confidence in their results, others question the validity of certain steps.

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Participants mention issues with notation and clarity in their expressions, particularly regarding LaTeX formatting. There is also a reference to using specific calculators for verification of results.

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Problem: [tex](y-yx^2)\frac{dy}{dx} = (y+1)^2[/tex]

So, the first thing I tried was just dividing the whole equation by [tex](y-yx^2)[/tex] and then factored out the y to get [tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{(y+1)^2}{y(1-x^2)}[/tex]. Next I expanded the numerator on the right side of the equation and then split them all into idividual fractions to get:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y}{1-x^2}+\frac{2}{1-x^2}+\frac{1}{y(1-x^2)}[/tex].

I just don't see how I can go from here?
 
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Ok, so I worked it out some more and got [tex]\frac{ydy}{(y+1)^2} = \frac{dx}{(1-x^2)}[/tex]

Is this correct?
 
prace said:
Ok, so I worked it out some more and got [tex]\frac{ydy}{(y+1)^2} = \frac{dx}{(1-x^2)}[/tex]

Is this correct?

Yes, that looks right to me
 
Cool Thanks. So I worked this one out and got the left hand side of the equation, but I can seem to get the integration on the right.

[tex]\frac{ydy}{(y+1)^2} => \frac{dx}{(1-x^2)} = \int{\frac{ydy}{(y+1)^2}} = \int{\frac{dx}{(1-x^2)}}[/tex]

so, [tex]ln|y+1|+\frac{1}{y+1} = \int{\frac{dx}{(1-x^2)}}[/tex]

what can I do with this one?

* For some reason on my screen the y integral keeps showing up in the post even though it is not in the LaTex. So, if you see it too, please disregard the middle term that reads [tex]\int{\frac{ydy}{(y+1)^2}}[/tex] in the last part of the problem. Thanks
 
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prace said:
Cool Thanks. So I worked this one out and got the left hand side of the equation, but I can seem to get the integration on the right.

[tex]\frac{ydy}{(y+1)^2} => \frac{dx}{(1-x^2)} = \int{\frac{ydy}{(y+1)^2}} = \int{\frac{dx}{(1-x^2)}}[/tex]

so, [tex]ln|y+1|+\frac{1}{y+1} = \int{\frac{dx}{(1-x^2)}}[/tex]

what can I do with this one?


Thats not the correct integral of the LHS. Have you come across the method of partial fractions?
 
Yes I have worked with partial fractions a little bit, but I don't see how it applies to this one. I don't mean to second guess you, but are you sure the LHS is not correct? I worked it out again and got the same answer and my TI-89 gives the same answer as well.
 
prace said:
Yes I have worked with partial fractions a little bit, but I don't see how it applies to this one. I don't mean to second guess you, but are you sure the LHS is not correct? I worked it out again and got the same answer and my TI-89 gives the same answer as well.

I get a factor 1/2, but it might just be me. How did you integrate that by hand without using partial fraction, just out of curiosity?! EDIT: the factor 1/2 is just me! sorry

For the x integral, consider the denominator (1-x^2). This can be written as
(1+x)(1-x). So, if you can express [tex]\frac{1}{1-x^2}[/tex] as a sum[tex]\frac{a}{1+x}+\frac{b}{1-x}[/tex] then this can be integrated directly
 
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Thanks, I will try that out. To get the LHS w/o partial fractions:

[tex]\int{\frac{ydy}{(y+1)^2}}[/tex]

let u = y+1, du = dy, and y = u-1

So, [tex]\int{\frac{(u-1)}{(u)^2}du}[/tex]

=

[tex]\int{\frac{u}{u^2}-\frac{1}{u^2}du}[/tex]

=

[tex]ln|u| + \frac{1}{u}[/tex]

Substitute y+1 for u and get [tex]ln|y+1|+\frac{1}{y+1}[/tex]
 
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prace said:
Thanks, I will try that out. To get the LHS w/o partial fractions:

[tex]\int{\frac{ydy}{(y+1)^2}}[/tex]

let u = y+1, du = dy, and y = u-1

So, [tex]\int{\frac{(u-1)}{(u)^2}du} = \int{\frac{u}{u^2}-\frac{1}{u^2}du} = ln|u| + \frac{1}{u}[/tex]

Substitute y+1 for u and get [tex]ln|y+1|+\frac{1}{y+1}[/tex]

Ahh, ok, nice. I didn't spot that! I would generally use partial fractions for expressions like that, but looks like the sub'n is simpler there!
 
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Oh man, haha.. I like the substitution method, but I am not too keen on the trig substitution. Although, this one seems pretty nice for that. Do you mind taking a look at my partial fraction work? I need some practice with it so I was wondering if I did it correctly.

[tex]\int{\frac{dx}{(1-x^2)}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{(1+x)(1-x)}=\frac{A}{1+x}+\frac{B}{1-x}[/tex]

So, B and A both = (1/2)

Then the solution to the integral is:
[tex]\frac{ln|1+x|}{2}+\frac{ln|1-x|}{2}[/tex]

Thanks!
 

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