Separation of the centre of mass motion

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The discussion revolves around the separation of center-of-mass motion in quantum mechanics, specifically in the context of a Hamiltonian defined on \(L^2(\mathbb{R}^n\). Participants explore the implications of translation invariance and the effects of fixing the center of mass on the spectral properties of the Hamiltonian. The scope includes theoretical interpretations and mathematical reasoning related to quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant questions the physical interpretation of why the Hamiltonian has purely essential spectrum due to translation invariance.
  • Another participant explains that the total momentum generates translations and commutes with the Hamiltonian, leading to energy eigenfunctions that remain unchanged under translations.
  • There is a discussion about whether introducing new variables constitutes breaking translation invariance, with a suggestion that it is misleading to frame it this way.
  • Participants discuss the separation of center-of-mass motion from relative motions and reference Noether's theorem regarding the implications for free particle motion.
  • Further exploration includes the relationship between the Hamiltonian for relative motion and center-of-mass motion, along with considerations of bound states depending on the potential and ionization threshold.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the purpose of breaking translation invariance while noting that the original Hamiltonian retains a purely essential spectrum.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of breaking translation invariance and the interpretation of the Hamiltonian's spectrum. There is no consensus on the necessity or significance of separating center-of-mass motion from relative motion.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the nature of translation invariance and its implications for the Hamiltonian's spectrum. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the effects of different potentials on bound states.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of Hamiltonian systems, translation invariance, and spectral theory.

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hey

I got a questions and appreciate obv any reply. I am regarding to Capitel 12, page 128ff. from Gustafson, Sigal; Mathematical Concepts for Quantum Mechanics.

So, let's consider on $L^2(\mathbb R^n)$
\begin{align}
H_n= \sum_{j=1}^n \frac{1}{2 m_j} p_j^2 +V(x)
\end{align}
where $$p_j=-i\hbar\nabla_{x_j},\qquad V(x)=\frac{1}{2} \sum_{i\neq j} V_{ij}(x_i-x_j)$$ is the momentum operator.

Separation of the centre-of-mass

the latter Hamiltonian has purely essential spectrum, cause it commutes with the total translation of the system
$$ T_h: \psi(x_1,\ldots,x_n) \mapsto \psi(x_1+h,\ldots,x_n+h) $$
First Question: is there a explanation or physical Interpretation behind, why this follows from translationinvariance?

we are now on page 129 middle.

So, now we "break" the translation invariance, with fixing the centre of mass at the origin, to get some interessting spectral information.
Second Question: I don't understand, why we break the system, cause i don't get if we then got some interessting informatino about the spectrum, the old Hamiltonian still have purely essential spectrum. Arent we looking for his Spectrum. I think, I need some hit in the right direction, to understand this.

if further information for the system/ or sth else is needed pls let me know.

bests, tks in adv
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Ad Question #1: The total momentum is the generator of translations of the system as a whole, and it commutes with the Hamiltonian. Thus the energy eigenfunctions do not change under translations.

Ad Question #2: Of course, you don't break any symmetries just by introducing new variables that are more adequate to describe your system. Thus the formulation that you break translation invariance is misleading. What happens is that the center-of-mass motion separates from the relative motions of the particles. According to Noether's theorem, applied to the invariance under Galilei boosts, the center of mass motion is that of a free particle.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Ad Question #1: The total momentum is the generator of translations of the system as a whole, and it commutes with the Hamiltonian. Thus the energy eigenfunctions do not change under translations.

Ad Question #2: Of course, you don't break any symmetries just by introducing new variables that are more adequate to describe your system. Thus the formulation that you break translation invariance is misleading. What happens is that the center-of-mass motion separates from the relative motions of the particles. According to Noether's theorem, applied to the invariance under Galilei boosts, the center of mass motion is that of a free particle.
tks for the quick reply!

to answer #1: "The total momentum is the generator of translations of the system as a whole" can you outline this a bit pls.
If i get that right, if I have a point $b$ in the spectrum, so cause the corresponding eigenfunctions d not change under translation, so i can perturb it a bit and its still an eigenfunction, so $b+h$ is also an eigenvalue, so its essential?

to answer #2: ok, if free particle, I got a Hamiltonian only with Kinetic Energy($H_1$ relative motion)
\begin{align}
H = H_1 \otimes 1 + 1\otimes H_{com},
\end{align}
and as a result i got a part of the centre of mass motion, tho i can apply: long range -> infinite boundstates(min-max-principle) and for short range -> finite (at infinity kinetic energie dominates cause of hardys-inequality the boundstates favoring potential), right?
Still, if i break, i have a broken system, with probably boundstates in the Clusters (depending on the potential, and esp on the ionization threshold), but still if i go back to my old system, I still have purely essential spectrum. But then, why I do this?
 
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