Separation of variables to solve Schrodinger equations

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The discussion centers on the application of separation of variables to solve the Schrödinger equation, particularly in the context of time-dependent potentials. Participants explore the mathematical and physical implications of using this method when the potential is a function of time, such as V(t) = A*cos(ωt).

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  • One participant notes that many articles suggest separation of variables cannot be used for time-dependent potentials but does not explain why.
  • Another participant argues that a time-dependent field is not a 'potential' field and explains that separation of variables can be applied if the equation can be arranged such that time-dependence is isolated on one side, equating to a constant representing total energy.
  • It is mentioned that a time-dependent potential leads to a driven oscillator scenario, where energy is exchanged with the environment, complicating the separation of variables.
  • A participant elaborates that separation of variables is most effective when variables are orthogonal, and in dynamic problems, separability occurs when coordinates represent independent modes of vibration.
  • Another participant suggests that trying out the method could provide insights into its applicability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of using separation of variables for time-dependent potentials. There is no consensus on whether it is mathematically incorrect to apply this method in such cases.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of separation of variables in dynamic problems, emphasizing the need for orthogonal coordinates and the complexity introduced by time-dependent fields. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical challenges or assumptions involved.

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I've found many articles online that explain how to solve the Schrödinger equation for a potential dependent on x, but not for one dependent on t. A couple articles said that you could not use separation of variables to solve the Schrödinger equation with a time dependent potential, but they did not explain why. Why can you not use separation of variables to solve the Schrödinger equation with a time dependent potential, specifically; V(t)=A*cos(ωt), where A is a constant potential and ω is the angular frequency. Thanks!
 
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Technically, a time-dependent field is not a 'potential' field. The S equation is soluble by separation of variables because the equation can be arranged so that the time-dependence is entirely one one side of the = sign. The other side of the = sign has no time-dependence. Mathematically, this can happen if and only if both the expressions are equal to a constant. In physical terms this constant works out to be the total energy. The wave represents a solution to an oscillator system.
If a time-dependent field is present, the solution is time-dependent and represents a *driven* oscillator, with energy being exchanged between the system and the environment. The source/sink of this variable energy is the time-dependent field.
Specifically, if the time-dependent potential is applied as an operator to a spatially-dependent wave, the solution to the S Equation would require Green's Functions, and the orthogonal coordinates needed for separating the variables would be mixed coordinates in space and time. They would represent nodes in the space/time-dependent wave solution.
 
tadchem said:
Technically, a time-dependent field is not a 'potential' field. The S equation is soluble by separation of variables because the equation can be arranged so that the time-dependence is entirely one one side of the = sign. The other side of the = sign has no time-dependence. Mathematically, this can happen if and only if both the expressions are equal to a constant. In physical terms this constant works out to be the total energy. The wave represents a solution to an oscillator system.
If a time-dependent field is present, the solution is time-dependent and represents a *driven* oscillator, with energy being exchanged between the system and the environment. The source/sink of this variable energy is the time-dependent field.
Specifically, if the time-dependent potential is applied as an operator to a spatially-dependent wave, the solution to the S Equation would require Green's Functions, and the orthogonal coordinates needed for separating the variables would be mixed coordinates in space and time. They would represent nodes in the space/time-dependent wave solution.

Thanks a lot for the explanation, but just to clarify, is there nothing mathematically wrong with doing separation of variables with a time dependent potential?
 
Mathematically, separation of variables works best when the variables are orthogonal. In static problems Time is always orthogonal to the spatial variables.
In dynamic problems (time-dependent) the separability occurs when the chosen coordinates represent represent independent modes of vibration. Each vibrational mode becomes a coordinate with its own potential and wave solutions.
Chemists who study vibrational spectra of individual molecules (usually infrared) work with this daily. Sometimes two modes of vibration have the same symmetry and frequency ω , such as the 'bending' modes of a CO2 molecule. In that case the vibrations define a 'subspace' of fewer dimensions that is completely separable from the remaining modes, but which are indistinguishable from each other. Herzberg is a good starting point for electronic spectra of small molecules.
 
Why don't you just try it out?
 

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