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The discussion revolves around sequences, specifically determining the convergence or divergence of given sequences and calculating their terms. The original poster presents two main questions regarding the sequences defined by specific recursive formulas.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the first four terms of a sequence defined recursively and explore the behavior of two sequences regarding convergence or divergence.
  • Some participants suggest comparing terms to simplify the analysis of convergence for one sequence, while others express confusion about the calculations and the implications of the recursive definitions.
  • Questions arise about the validity of certain approaches, particularly regarding the application of the comparison theorem and the interpretation of the recursive formulas.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to analyze the sequences. Some guidance has been offered regarding the simplification of terms and the potential for comparison, but there is no clear consensus on the outcomes or the correctness of the approaches taken.

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Participants note that the discussion occurs before the introduction of the comparison theorem, which may limit the methods available for analyzing convergence. There is also mention of discrepancies in calculated values for the sequences, leading to further questioning of the recursive definitions.

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Question 1

write the first 4 terms in the sequence defined by a 1 = -2, a n+1 = an/n!

this what I tried

a2 = -2/1
a3 = -2/2
a4 = -1/6

Question 2

determine the following sequences converges or diverges

1- an = sqrt(n^2 -3 )/ 5th rt(n^2)

what I would try is to divide both top and bottom by n^2 but here doesn't work that
way because the denominator is 5th rt

2- a1 = 3, an+1 = (-1)^n+1 an + 3

a2 = 6
a3 = -3

but the ans would be ( 3,0,3,0,3,0)
 
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fadi_nzr said:
Question 1

write the first 4 terms in the sequence defined by a 1 = -2, a n+1 = an/n!

this what I tried

a2 = -2/1
a3 = -2/2
a4 = -1/6
Looks fine to me.
Question 2

determine the following sequences converges or diverges

1- an = sqrt(n^2 -3 )/ 5th rt(n^2)

what I would try is to divide both top and bottom by n^2 but here doesn't work that
way because the denominator is 5th rt
When ##n## is large, ##\sqrt{n^2 - 3}## is nearly the same as ##\sqrt{n^2}##. So you can use ##\sqrt{n^2}## instead of ##\sqrt{n^2 - 3}## to determine whether the sequence converges or not. Then you can make the argument more precise by comparing ##\sqrt{n^2 - 3}## with an appropriate sequence. (Hint: try comparing it with ##\sqrt{n^2}/2##.)
2- a1 = 3, an+1 = (-1)^n+1 an + 3

a2 = 6
a3 = -3

but the ans would be ( 3,0,3,0,3,0)
OK, so what can you conclude? Does the sequence converge?
 
question 2

A-
actually this section was before the comparison theorem so let's assume we can't compare it for now

what is the other way B-it diverges but I don't know how to come up with these values as my values differ ( 3,0,3,0,3,0)
 
fadi_nzr said:
question 2

A-
actually this section was before the comparison theorem so let's assume we can't compare it for now

what is the other way
OK, try simplifying: ##\sqrt{n^2 - 3}/\sqrt[5]{n^2} = (n^2 - 3)^{1/2}n^{-2/5} = (n^2 - 3)^{1/2}(n^{-4/5})^{1/2} = ?##

B-it diverges but I don't know how to come up with these values as my values differ ( 3,0,3,0,3,0)
Check your values of ##(-1)^{n+1}##. This is ##-1## when ##n## is even, and ##+1## when ##n## is odd. I suspect you have it reversed.
 
jbunniii said:
OK, try simplifying: ##\sqrt{n^2 - 3}/\sqrt[5]{n^2} = (n^2 - 3)^{1/2}n^{-2/5} = (n^2 - 3)^{1/2}(n^{-4/5})^{1/2} = ?##


Check your values of ##(-1)^{n+1}##. This is ##-1## when ##n## is even, and ##+1## when ##n## is odd. I suspect you have it reversed.


for part A, now it looks complicated to me than before what my prof did is

moving the bottom to the numerator and you get infinity

for part B I still unable to get ( 3,0,3,0,3,0)
 
fadi_nzr said:
for part A, now it looks complicated to me than before what my prof did is

moving the bottom to the numerator and you get infinity
Can you show what you mean by this?
for part B I still unable to get ( 3,0,3,0,3,0)
Let's go back to the definition:
##a_1 = 3, a_{n+1} = (-1)^{n+1} a_n + 3##
To get ##a_2## we plug in ##n=1##: this gives us ##a_2 = (-1)^2 a_1 + 3 = (1)(3) + 3 = 6##. So already this is different from your ##3,0,3,0,...##.
 
jbunniii said:
Can you show what you mean by this?

Let's go back to the definition:

To get ##a_2## we plug in ##n=1##: this gives us ##a_2 = (-1)^2 a_1 + 3 = (1)(3) + 3 = 6##. So already this is different from your ##3,0,3,0,...##.

( 3,0,3,0,3,0) is my professor answer to this part

but as you see we are not getting close to that
 
jbunniii said:
Can you show what you mean by this?

Let's go back to the definition:$$
a_1 = 3, a_{n+1} = (-1)^{n+1} a_n + 3$$

To get ##a_2## we plug in ##n=1##: this gives us ##a_2 = (-1)^2 a_1 + 3 = (1)(3) + 3 = 6##. So already this is different from your ##3,0,3,0,...##.

fadi_nzr said:
( 3,0,3,0,3,0) is my professor answer to this part

but as you see we are not getting close to that

I'm guessing there is a typo somewhere and the recursion is supposed to be$$
a_1 = 3, a_{n+1} = (-1)^{n} a_n + 3$$
 

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