Series Convergence: Does This Series Converge and What is the Sum?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n n^{\frac{1}{n}}}\) and the determination of its sum. Participants are analyzing the series using various convergence tests and exploring the implications of the terms involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the root test and question the correctness of the initial steps taken in the analysis. There are suggestions to simplify the expression and considerations of comparison tests to evaluate convergence.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some have suggested that the series may diverge based on comparison tests, while others are still exploring the implications of the terms involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the potential confusion regarding the nature of the series, particularly whether it can be classified as a p-series. Participants are also considering the behavior of the terms as \(n\) approaches infinity, which affects their conclusions about convergence.

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Homework Statement



Does it converge, and what is the sum:

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n n^{\frac{1}{n}}}[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution



Please check my method and conclusion:

Using the root test:

[tex]\displaystyle\lim_{n\to\infty}\left|\frac{1}{n n^{\frac{1}{n}}} \right|^{\frac{1}{n}} = \displaystyle\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{n n^{\frac{1}{n}}} = \displaystyle\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{n}\displaystyle\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{ n^{\frac{1}{n}}} = 0[/tex]


so while this doe not give me the sum (I'm not excited about that part...), it at least tells me that this series converges. Am I correct?
 
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Your first step is incorrect. How did you just get rid of the 1/n exponent?
 
Somefantastik said:

Homework Statement



Does it converge, and what is the sum:

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n n^{\frac{1}{n}}}[/tex]

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Please check my method and conclusion:

Using the root test:

[tex]\displaystyle\lim_{n\to\infty}\left|\frac{1}{n n^{\frac{1}{n}}} \right|^{\frac{1}{n}} = \displaystyle\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{n n^{\frac{1}{n}}} = \displaystyle\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{n}\displaystyle\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{ n^{\frac{1}{n}}} = 0[/tex]
I don't see that you actually took the root. You lost the 1/n exponent right away without changing anything.
Somefantastik said:
so while this doe not give me the sum (I'm not excited about that part...), it at least tells me that this series converges. Am I correct?

You could have simpified things by writing nn1/n as n1+1/n. This looks like a convergent p-series to me.
 
Mark44 said:
I don't see that you actually took the root. You lost the 1/n exponent right away without changing anything.


You could have simpified things by writing nn1/n as n1+1/n. This looks like a convergent p-series to me.

NOT a convergent p-series, Mark44. The limit of n^(1/n) as n->infinity is one. Think about a comparison test.
 
Dick said:
NOT a convergent p-series, Mark44. The limit of n^(1/n) as n->infinity is one. Think about a comparison test.
I had a suspicion that it wasn't a p-series, given that the exponent wasn't a constant. Thanks for straightening me out, Dick.
 
Mark44 said:
I had a suspicion that it wasn't a p-series, given that the exponent wasn't a constant. Thanks for straightening me out, Dick.

I'm not sure it matters that the exponent is a constant, as long as it is an integer n>0, because no matter what n is here, the value will be greater than 1. BUT since 1/n converges to 0, then we have the exponent converging to one, and then we have a problem.

I'm still not sure what to do here. As far as comparison goes:

[tex]\sum \frac{1}{nn^{\frac{1}{n}}} \leq \sum \frac{1}{n}[/tex]

But that is not helpful b/c the 1/n series diverges...
 
Somefantastik said:
I'm not sure it matters that the exponent is a constant, as long as it is an integer n>0, because no matter what n is here, the value will be greater than 1. BUT since 1/n converges to 0, then we have the exponent converging to one, and then we have a problem.

I'm still not sure what to do here. As far as comparison goes:

[tex]\sum \frac{1}{nn^{\frac{1}{n}}} \leq \sum \frac{1}{n}[/tex]

But that is not helpful b/c the 1/n series diverges...

You've got (1/n)*(1/n^(1/n)). The second factor approaches 1. So for large n the second factor is greater than, say, 1/2.
 
Dick said:
You've got (1/n)*(1/n^(1/n)). The second factor approaches 1. So for large n the second factor is greater than, say, 1/2.

[tex]\sum \frac{1}{nn^{\frac{1}{n}}} \geq \sum\frac{1}{2n}[/tex]

Since we know that the second series is divergent and smaller than the original, we can say the original must diverge as well.
 
Best possible outcome, really. Now you don't have to worry about summing it.
 
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:-) Thanks for the input.
 

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