Series Convergence: Is the Root Test Always Reliable?

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The discussion centers around determining the convergence or divergence of the series (1-1/n^(1/3))^n. Participants are exploring various convergence tests, including the root test, ratio test, and test for divergence, while questioning the reliability of these methods in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the root test and ratio test, noting that the limits encountered can lead to indeterminate forms. There are suggestions to reconsider the ratio test and explore the logarithmic behavior of the terms in the series.

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Some participants have offered guidance on alternative approaches, such as using logarithmic properties and series expansions, while others express uncertainty about the original poster's familiarity with series concepts. Multiple interpretations of the problem and potential methods are being explored without reaching a consensus.

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There is a suggestion that the original poster may not have been exposed to series, which could impact their understanding of the problem and the methods being discussed.

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Homework Statement



determine whether the series (1-1/n^(1/3))^n converge or diverge

Homework Equations


all the testing procedure



The Attempt at a Solution


So I did the root test first, but the limit on the inside is 1. I then tried the ratio test but then when I tried taking the limit, I ended up with e^(-infinity+infinity). Finally, I tried the test for divergence on the original series, but i turned out be zero so it might or might not converge. Now I'm totally stuck.
 
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Did you try the comparison test?
 
freshman2013 said:

Homework Statement



determine whether the series (1-1/n^(1/3))^n converge or diverge

Homework Equations


all the testing procedure



The Attempt at a Solution


So I did the root test first, but the limit on the inside is 1. I then tried the ratio test but then when I tried taking the limit, I ended up with e^(-infinity+infinity).
You should never end up with something like this ( -∞ + ∞), as it is indeterminate. I agree with what you got on the root test, so that's not a useful test, and the n-th term test seems to give a value of 0, so it doesn't tell us anything.

I would take another look at the ratio test to see what the limit actually is.


freshman2013 said:
Finally, I tried the test for divergence on the original series, but i turned out be zero so it might or might not converge. Now I'm totally stuck.
 
freshman2013 said:

Homework Statement



determine whether the series (1-1/n^(1/3))^n converge or diverge

Homework Equations


all the testing procedure



The Attempt at a Solution


So I did the root test first, but the limit on the inside is 1. I then tried the ratio test but then when I tried taking the limit, I ended up with e^(-infinity+infinity). Finally, I tried the test for divergence on the original series, but i turned out be zero so it might or might not converge. Now I'm totally stuck.

If
t_n = \left(1 - \frac{1}{n^{1/3}}\right)^n,
you can look at ##L_n = \ln(t_n)## and use the series expansion of ##\ln (1-x)## for small ##x = 1/n^{1/3}##, to get the behavior of ##t_n## for large n. In fact, you can even get a simple upper bound ##u_n##, so that ## 0 < t_n < u_n##, and ##\sum u_n## is easy to analyze.
 
The OP might not have been exposed to series yet...
 
Mark44 said:
The OP might not have been exposed to series yet...

Series are not really needed here; it is enough to know that 1-x < exp(-x) for x > 0, so that ln(1-x) < -x for small x > 0.

Anyway, if the OP has seen series the method could be useful; if he/she has not yet seen series it is perhaps not useful. However, I have no way of knowing what the OP has, or has not, seen.
 
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I'm not seeing how that would help. If it's working toward the ratio test, the ratio of consecutive terms approaches 1 as n→∞, so that test is inconclusive.

There is a very simple series that does converge that looks somewhat like this.
 

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