Series Question Concering Convergence/Divergence

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The discussion centers on determining the convergence or divergence of a sequence defined by the formula $$a_n = \frac{(-1)^{n + 1} n}{n + \sqrt{n}}$$. Participants explore the implications of the sequence's oscillatory behavior and clarify terminology regarding sequences versus series.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that by ignoring the sign, the limit of the sequence as $$n$$ approaches infinity is 1, implying convergence.
  • Another participant counters that the sequence oscillates between 1 and -1, indicating divergence.
  • A participant questions the terminology used in the thread title, noting the distinction between "sequence" and "series".
  • There is a discussion about whether oscillation implies divergence, with some participants asserting that if a sequence oscillates, it cannot converge to a single value.
  • Clarification is made that the limit cannot be determined by ignoring the sign of the sequence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the convergence of the sequence, with some arguing for convergence based on the limit and others asserting divergence due to oscillation. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There is a potential confusion regarding the terminology of "sequence" versus "series". The implications of oscillation on convergence are also debated, with no consensus on whether oscillation always leads to divergence.

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Readers interested in mathematical sequences, convergence criteria, and the nuances of oscillatory behavior in sequences may find this discussion relevant.

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Determine whether the sequence converges or diverges.

$$a_n = \frac{(-1)^{n + 1} n}{n + \sqrt{n}}$$

Ok, so if I'm understanding this correctly, I need to just ignore the sign and think of this particular problem as leading coefficient over leading coefficient to get $$\frac{n}{n} = 1$$?

Also, then wouldn't that mean that $$\lim a_n$$ as $${n\to\infty} = 1$$ ?

So since a limit exists wouldn't it converge to 1? What is the logic that is insinuating that this is divergent? I am not seeing it. Maybe I'm looking at this incorrectly?
 
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The sequence ends up oscillating between 1 and -1. So, it diverges.
 
shamieh said:
Determine whether the sequence converges or diverges.
The title thread says "Series", but the question says, "sequence". Which is it? Or did you mean, "Serious question"? :)

shamieh said:
$$a_n = \frac{(-1)^{n + 1} n}{n + \sqrt{n}}$$

Ok, so if I'm understanding this correctly, I need to just ignore the sign and think of this particular problem as leading coefficient over leading coefficient to get $$\frac{n}{n} = 1$$?
You could do this.

shamieh said:
Also, then wouldn't that mean that $$\lim a_n$$ as $${n\to\infty} = 1$$ ?
Here you can't ignore the sign.

shamieh said:
So since a limit exists wouldn't it converge to 1?
What do you mean by "it": $a_n$ or $\sum_{k=1}^n a_k$?
 
Sequence, not Series. Typo.

So in any case where something is oscillating back and forth would $$a_n$$ as $$n$$ approaches $$\infty$$ always be divergent or no?
 
shamieh said:
Sequence, not Series. Typo.

So in any case where something is oscillating back and forth would $$a_n$$ as $$n$$ approaches $$\infty$$ always be divergent or no?

If a series is oscillating between two (or more) values, it can't converge to one value. So, it is divergent.
 
Exactly the question I was asking, awesome, thanks.
 

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