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The discussion centers on optimizing beer glass shapes to minimize heat transfer during consumption, highlighting the importance of container design and ambient temperature in reducing beer waste. It references a paper that suggests a numeric comparison between standard insulating and optimal non-insulating shapes, although real-world evidence for insulated beer containers is lacking. The conversation also touches on cultural preferences for warm beer, particularly in Bavaria, and the historical context of beer serving temperatures in Sweden and Denmark. Overall, the insights aim to assist party hosts and bar owners in optimizing beer serving practices.

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Combining this fine research with the distribution of consumption rates for the general population may prove useful in predicting the amount of wasted (never to be consumed) beer fluid at the bottom of glasses, an insight that party hosts and bar owners may use to, say, optimize initial dispensed volume vs. ambient temperature on top of selecting an optimal container shape.

The paper mentions insulated containers, but only in passing. It would have been nice with a numeric comparison of time scales between a standard shaped insulating and this optimal non-insulating shape, but I guess the almost total lack of real-world evidence of beer being dispensed into a insulated containers does make such comparison pointless in most practical use cases where insulating containers seem to be deselected as a viable container option based alone on their non-thermal qualities. Considering coffee containers has the opposite "statistics" there may be material for an interesting study in this area somewhere for a behavioural science department.
 
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Filip Larsen said:
the almost total lack of real-world evidence of beer being dispensed into a insulated containers
I take it you have never been to Bavaria to view the traditional bier steins. They even have hinged lids.

They do seem to prefer their beer warm. I can't explain this.
 
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Hornbein said:
They do seem to prefer their beer warm. I can't explain this
Totally unacceptable. @fresh_42 can you offer some sort of defence?
 
Hornbein said:
[...]They do seem to prefer their beer warm. I can't explain this.[...]

Oh but I can [sic :)]. I'm currently sitting outside in 0 degree celsius and drinking a pretty strong half-litre 7.7 vol one (no container [sic :)] laws here.), and a 40 degree warm one suddenly doesn't sound so crazy. :)

It used to be normal to be served warm beer in "pubs" in Sweden and Denmark in the previous centuries but I'd be hard pressed to find a scientific citation for that one. I picked that up mostly from historical books.

EDIT: Found this fun little read:

https://expertbrewing.com/warm-beer-who-drinks-it-and-why/
 
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Filip Larsen said:
Combining this fine research with the distribution of consumption rates for the general population may prove useful in predicting the amount of wasted (never to be consumed) beer fluid at the bottom of glasses, an insight that party hosts and bar owners may use to, say, optimize initial dispensed volume vs. ambient temperature on top of selecting an optimal container shape.

The paper mentions insulated containers, but only in passing. It would have been nice with a numeric comparison of time scales between a standard shaped insulating and this optimal non-insulating shape, but I guess the almost total lack of real-world evidence of beer being dispensed into a insulated containers does make such comparison pointless in most practical use cases where insulating containers seem to be deselected as a viable container option based alone on their non-thermal qualities. Considering coffee containers has the opposite "statistics" there may be material for an interesting study in this area somewhere for a behavioural science department.
The research explores an intriguing angle on optimizing beer consumption and waste through container selection and ambient temperature considerations. While insulated containers are briefly mentioned, their practical implications for beer dispense and consumption remain underexplored, contrasting with findings in the realm of coffee containers. Further studies could illuminate behavioral insights in this area.
 
In 1962 when I was in Bavaria (or maybe Austria) I saw a couple in a restaurant warming up their beer with an immersion heater. Yep, they brought it to the restaurant, got it plugged in, and went at it.

I had one of those heaters. One day I plugged it in not in liquid and it melted immediately.
 

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