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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the optimization of beer glass shapes to minimize heat transfer during consumption, exploring both theoretical and practical implications of container design and temperature on beer consumption and waste. Participants delve into historical preferences for beer temperature and the potential for further research in this area.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that optimizing beer glass shapes could reduce wasted beer at the bottom of glasses, linking this to ambient temperature and consumption rates.
  • There is a mention of insulated containers in the research, but some participants express a desire for a numeric comparison with non-insulating shapes, noting a lack of real-world evidence for the use of insulated containers for beer.
  • One participant references traditional Bavarian beer steins with hinged lids, questioning the preference for warm beer and expressing confusion about this cultural choice.
  • Another participant shares a personal anecdote about drinking warm beer in cold weather, suggesting that historical practices in Sweden and Denmark may have included serving warm beer, though they acknowledge the lack of scientific citations for this claim.
  • A later reply recounts an experience in Bavaria or Austria where a couple used an immersion heater to warm their beer, adding a personal touch to the discussion about beer temperature preferences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the preference for warm beer, with some questioning it while others provide anecdotal evidence supporting its historical consumption. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of container design and temperature on beer consumption.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about historical beer consumption practices lack scientific citations, and there are unresolved questions about the practicality of insulated containers for beer compared to other beverages.

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Combining this fine research with the distribution of consumption rates for the general population may prove useful in predicting the amount of wasted (never to be consumed) beer fluid at the bottom of glasses, an insight that party hosts and bar owners may use to, say, optimize initial dispensed volume vs. ambient temperature on top of selecting an optimal container shape.

The paper mentions insulated containers, but only in passing. It would have been nice with a numeric comparison of time scales between a standard shaped insulating and this optimal non-insulating shape, but I guess the almost total lack of real-world evidence of beer being dispensed into a insulated containers does make such comparison pointless in most practical use cases where insulating containers seem to be deselected as a viable container option based alone on their non-thermal qualities. Considering coffee containers has the opposite "statistics" there may be material for an interesting study in this area somewhere for a behavioural science department.
 
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Filip Larsen said:
the almost total lack of real-world evidence of beer being dispensed into a insulated containers
I take it you have never been to Bavaria to view the traditional bier steins. They even have hinged lids.

They do seem to prefer their beer warm. I can't explain this.
 
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Hornbein said:
They do seem to prefer their beer warm. I can't explain this
Totally unacceptable. @fresh_42 can you offer some sort of defence?
 
Hornbein said:
[...]They do seem to prefer their beer warm. I can't explain this.[...]

Oh but I can [sic :)]. I'm currently sitting outside in 0 degree celsius and drinking a pretty strong half-litre 7.7 vol one (no container [sic :)] laws here.), and a 40 degree warm one suddenly doesn't sound so crazy. :)

It used to be normal to be served warm beer in "pubs" in Sweden and Denmark in the previous centuries but I'd be hard pressed to find a scientific citation for that one. I picked that up mostly from historical books.

EDIT: Found this fun little read:

https://expertbrewing.com/warm-beer-who-drinks-it-and-why/
 
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Filip Larsen said:
Combining this fine research with the distribution of consumption rates for the general population may prove useful in predicting the amount of wasted (never to be consumed) beer fluid at the bottom of glasses, an insight that party hosts and bar owners may use to, say, optimize initial dispensed volume vs. ambient temperature on top of selecting an optimal container shape.

The paper mentions insulated containers, but only in passing. It would have been nice with a numeric comparison of time scales between a standard shaped insulating and this optimal non-insulating shape, but I guess the almost total lack of real-world evidence of beer being dispensed into a insulated containers does make such comparison pointless in most practical use cases where insulating containers seem to be deselected as a viable container option based alone on their non-thermal qualities. Considering coffee containers has the opposite "statistics" there may be material for an interesting study in this area somewhere for a behavioural science department.
The research explores an intriguing angle on optimizing beer consumption and waste through container selection and ambient temperature considerations. While insulated containers are briefly mentioned, their practical implications for beer dispense and consumption remain underexplored, contrasting with findings in the realm of coffee containers. Further studies could illuminate behavioral insights in this area.
 
In 1962 when I was in Bavaria (or maybe Austria) I saw a couple in a restaurant warming up their beer with an immersion heater. Yep, they brought it to the restaurant, got it plugged in, and went at it.

I had one of those heaters. One day I plugged it in not in liquid and it melted immediately.
 

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