MHB Sets so that the cartesian product is commutative

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The discussion centers on the proof that if the Cartesian product of two sets \(A\) and \(B\) is commutative, i.e., \(A \times B = B \times A\), then either \(A = B\) or one of the sets is empty. The proof demonstrates that if both sets are non-empty, then \(A\) must equal \(B\). Additionally, it confirms that if either set is empty, the Cartesian product results in an empty set, maintaining the equality. The structure of the proof is validated by participants, affirming its correctness.

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Hey! :o

Let $A,B$ be sets, such that $A\times B=B\times A$. I want to show that one of the following statements hold:
  • $A=B$
  • $\emptyset \in \{A,B\}$
I have done the following:

Let $A$ and $B$ be non-empty set.

Let $a\in A$. For each $x\in B$ we have that $(a,x)\in A\times B$. Since $A\times B=B\times A$, it follows that $(a,x)\in B\times A$. So $a\in B$.

That means that $A\subseteq B$. Let $b\in B$. For each $y\in A$ we have that $(y,b)\in A\times B$. Since $A\times B=B\times A$, it follows that $(y,b)\in B\times A$. So $b\in A$.

That means that $B\subseteq A$. From these two relations we have that $A=B$.
If one of $A$ and $B$ is the emptyset, then it holds that $A\times B=B\times A=\emptyset$.

It also holds that the cartesian product is the empty set, then one of the setsmust be the empty set.

So it holds that $A\times B=\emptyset \iff A=\emptyset \ \text{ or } \ B=\emptyset$.

I am not really sure if the strusture of my proof is correct. At the first case I consider that both $A$ and $B$ are non-empty and I show that it must hold that $A=B$. Then at the other case I just say that if at least one of $A$ and $B$ is empty, then it holds that $A\times B=B\times A$ which is the empty set. But shouldn't I start by $A\times B=B\times A$ and conclude that one of the set must be empty? I am confused now. (Wondering)
 
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Hey mathmari!

I think your proof is fine.

We start with $A\times B=B\times A$ and we consider 2 cases.
Either $A\times B$ is empty, or it is not empty.
Your proof follows naturally. (Happy)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
I think your proof is fine.

We start with $A\times B=B\times A$ and we consider 2 cases.
Either $A\times B$ is empty, or it is not empty.
Your proof follows naturally. (Happy)

Ok! Thanks a lot! (Sun)
 
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