Setting Up a Non Catalytic Reaction beteen air and methane

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around setting up a non-catalytic oxidation reaction between methane and air, focusing on experimental design, equipment, and expected outcomes. Participants explore the conditions under which the reaction can occur without catalysts and discuss the implications of temperature and pressure on the reaction products.

Discussion Character

  • Experimental/applied
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on how to conduct an oxidation reaction between methane and air without any catalysts, noting that most literature involves catalysts.
  • Another participant suggests using a spark as a potential ignition source, although they acknowledge their lack of expertise in chemistry.
  • A participant clarifies that the reaction cannot be classified as combustion, as they plan to use a heat source to heat a chamber at atmospheric pressure and around 70 degrees Celsius.
  • One contributor shares their experience with methane-oxygen systems at higher temperatures, asserting that Vycor tubing is non-catalytic and recommending Pyrex equipment for the proposed temperature.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of using high-purity gases and suggests maintaining a vacuum of less than 10 mTorr, while expressing skepticism about the expected reaction products at low temperatures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of observing significant reaction products at the proposed low temperature, indicating a lack of consensus on the expected outcomes of the experiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the materials used, the purity of gases, and the temperature conditions, which may affect the experimental results. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers or students interested in experimental chemistry, particularly those focusing on oxidation reactions, non-catalytic processes, or gas-phase reactions involving methane and air.

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Setting Up a Non Catalytic Reaction beteen air and methane!

Hello, I'm in a group and we have been given the task of setting up an oxidation reaction between methane and air (different ratios), and seeing what the products are. We know what the products will be, but we don't know how to set up this experiment in such a way that there is no possible catalyst present. I've read all that I can find on this sort of thing, but most reactions that relate to what I'm looking for use some sort of catalyst.

Any Suggestions?
 
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How about using a spark?

(ok, I'm not a chemist...)
 
It's not a combustion reaction...well, it can't be in our case, we are just using a heat source to heat a chamber. It will be at atmospheric pressure, but the temperature is like 70 Celsius or something like that.
 
I have studied catalyst behaviors with methane oxygen systems up to 1200 degerees F. I built my reaction chamber of Vycor tubing, with integral inlet/outlet/instrumentation ports. I know for fact that Vycor was not catalytic.

If you are only going to 70 Celsius you should be fine with Pyrex equipment. If you are concerned about a thermocouple or thermistor being catalytic, include an integral Pyrex thermowell.

I hope you have a very sensitive gas chromatograph to measure your reaction products, I would be surprised to see much of anything at so low a termperature.
 
Also make sure you are capable of pulling a vacuum of < 10 mTorr on your system and use research grade (99.999 or better) pure air and methane.

and I agree with Drachir I am not sure what you will see. What kind of diagnostics are you using?
 

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