Setting Up KE for 2 Point Masses and a Rod

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The discussion revolves around setting up the kinetic energy for a system consisting of two point masses connected by a rigid, weightless rod, with the center of the rod constrained to move along a circular path. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, particularly kinetic energy and generalized coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the concept of reduced mass and its relevance to the problem. There is a suggestion to use generalized coordinates, specifically a pair of angles, to describe the system's motion. Questions arise regarding the selection of these angles and their implications for the analysis.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the utility of reduced mass and considering different approaches to defining the necessary generalized coordinates. There is an exploration of potential angles that could simplify the analysis, indicating a productive direction in the conversation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the rod's ability to rotate about its center may influence the choice of angles for the analysis, highlighting the importance of selecting appropriate generalized coordinates for the problem.

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Two point masses are joined by a rigid weightless rod of length "l", the centre of which is constrained to move on a circle of radius 'a'. Set up the kinetic energy in generalised coordinates.

So in this case, since the 2 mass m are joined by a rod, I consider the reduced mass of the system \mu:
{1\over {\mu}} = {1\over m} + {1\over m}
\mu = {m\over 2}

Am I going right? How do I set up the KE in this case?
 
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Reshma said:
Two point masses are joined by a rigid weightless rod of length "l", the centre of which is constrained to move on a circle of radius 'a'. Set up the kinetic energy in generalised coordinates.

So in this case, since the 2 mass m are joined by a rod, I consider the reduced mass of the system \mu:
{1\over {\mu}} = {1\over m} + {1\over m}
\mu = {m\over 2}

Am I going right? How do I set up the KE in this case?
It's not clear to me that the reduced mass will be helpful. I think you need to pick your generalized coordinates. It looks to me like a pair of angles would be a natural choice.
 
Pair of angles? I don't get it :frown:. I can consider one angle i.e. the polar angle on the circle but what is the other angle?
 
Reshma said:
Pair of angles? I don't get it :frown:. I can consider one angle i.e. the polar angle on the circle but what is the other angle?

If the rod is free to rotate about its centre, then another angle is need. This could be, for exampe, the angle that the rod makes with respect to horizontal, or the angle that the rod makes with respect to the line (radius) that joins the centre of the rod to the centre of the circle.

Some choices make the analysis easier than other choices.
 

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