Shell structure topological defects as substitute for dark matter

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The discussion centers on a paper proposing that massless topological defects, or shells, could serve as an alternative to dark matter in binding galaxies. Participants seek to clarify technical details regarding the gravitational properties of these shells and their implications for galactic rotation curves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the gravitational force exerted by a massless shell differs fundamentally from Newtonian gravitational force, suggesting that the former is localized in spacetime.
  • Another participant inquires if the requirement for a flat rotation curve in galaxies necessitates that larger concentric shells possess greater mass to maintain consistent gravitational force across varying distances.
  • A proposal is made that dark matter particles could potentially be viewed as miniature versions of massless shells.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the paper, describing it as "hand wavy" and noting that the massless nature of the shells relies on combining ordinary matter with exotic matter, which raises questions about the source of this exotic matter.

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Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of the paper's claims, with some seeking clarification and others challenging the foundational assumptions regarding exotic matter. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on exotic matter for the proposed model and raise concerns about the lack of explanation for its source, indicating potential limitations in the paper's arguments.

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Recently a paper was published 'The binding of cosmological structures by massless topological defects' which proposes how 'massless' shells can bind galaxies in lieu of dark matter. There are a few basic technical details I am looking to clarify:

1. It is mentioned in the paper that an attractive force is exerted on a test particle riding a zero-mass shell. So, is the basic difference between Newtonian gravitational force and gravitational force in a shell, that in which the former propagates through spacetime, while the latter is entirely localized in spacetime?

2. The gravitational force decreases as 1/r in a massless shell. In order to produce a flat rotation curve in galaxies, does that therefore require each larger concentric shell to have greater mass, so that the gravitational force of the shells can act with the same magnitude upon stars at all distances in galaxies?

3. The paper seeks to offer an alternative to dark matter. But could it be also possible that dark matter particles are themselves miniature versions of massless shells?
 
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Link appears to go to a file on your desktop, not the paper.
 
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Ibix said:
Link appears to go to a file on your desktop, not the paper.
Oops: corrected.
 
Ranku said:
Recently a paper was published 'The binding of cosmological structures by massless topological defects' which proposes how 'massless' shells can bind galaxies in lieu of dark matter.
This paper appears quite "hand wavy" to me. The proposed spherical shells are massless only because they combine shells of ordinary matter with shells of negative mass density, i.e., shells of exotic matter. Given the novel properties of gravitational systems incorporating exotic matter (stable wormholes, Alcubierre warp drive, etc.), it's no surprise that one can arrange to get a galactic 1/r potential this way. But as far as I can see, the author offers no explanation for the source of this exotic matter.
 
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