SHM: Choose Sin or Cos to Solve?

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The discussion revolves around the choice between sine and cosine functions in the context of simple harmonic motion (SHM). The original poster presents a problem involving a block attached to a spring, seeking clarification on the implications of using either function to describe the block's position over time.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the general form of SHM equations, questioning the validity of using sine versus cosine based on initial conditions. Some participants break down the problem into components, calculating parameters such as amplitude and angular frequency.

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There is an ongoing examination of the relationship between sine and cosine in the context of SHM. Some participants suggest that both functions can yield valid representations of the motion, while others question the reasoning behind specific calculations related to phase angles.

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Participants are discussing the implications of initial conditions on the choice of sine or cosine, with references to specific values and angles derived from the problem setup. There is an acknowledgment of potential mistakes in reasoning regarding the phase angle calculation.

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I wanted to ask if weather I choose sin or cos makes difference in solving problems.
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A block of mass m=4 kg on a frictionless horizontal table is attached to one end of a spring of force constant k=400 N/m and undergoes simple harmonic oscillations about its equilibrium position (X=0) with amplitude A=6 cm. If the block is at x=6 cm at time t=0, then which of the following equations (x in cm and t in seconds) gives the block's position as a function of time?

a) x=6sin(10t + ∏/2)
b) x=6sin(10t - ∏/2)
c)...
d)...
e)...
the answer is (a) but, what I am asking is that I got cos instead of sin ( from the general form X=Acos(ωt + ∅ )
 
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When I started solving this problem I immediately wrote the general form I learned.
X=A*cos(wt + ∅ ).

Then I started breaking the problem into pieces:

A=6,
w= (k/m)^0.5 = (400/4)^0.5 = 10,
and ∅= sin(inverse) (x at t=0)/A)= sin(inverse) (6/6)= 90 degrees which is ∏/2

by substituting I got:

X=6cos(10t + ∏/2)

so does that mean that using sin or cos doesn't matter? or I have a mistake?
 
Isweer said:
When I started solving this problem I immediately wrote the general form I learned.
X=A*cos(wt + ∅ ).

Then I started breaking the problem into pieces:

A=6,
w= (k/m)^0.5 = (400/4)^0.5 = 10,
and ∅= sin(inverse) (x at t=0)/A)= sin(inverse) (6/6)= 90 degrees which is ∏/2

by substituting I got:

X=6cos(10t + ∏/2)

so does that mean that using sin or cos doesn't matter? or I have a mistake?

You've made a mistake. Why did you do this bit?

and ∅= sin(inverse) (x at t=0)/A)= sin(inverse) (6/6)= 90 degrees which is ∏/2

Why sine?

When you let t = 0 in [itex]6\cos({\omega}t + \varphi)[/itex], you get [itex]6\cos\varphi = 6[/itex], giving [itex]\varphi=0[/itex]. So the equation should simply be [itex]6\cos{\omega}t[/itex].

This is not one of the answers. However, you should be able to see (from basic trig) that [itex]\sin(\theta + \frac{\pi}{2}) = \cos\theta[/itex]. So you can match it to the first answer.

It doesn't matter if you use sine or cosine, both are equally valid. They may look different, but if you do the basic math, they're actually identical.

And here, you don't actually have to derive very much. It's easier to just go through the multiple choices to see which fits, i.e. which gives a displacement of 6 when t = 0.
 
Thanks for help
 

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