SHM spring system, Tension direction confusion.

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The discussion centers on the dynamics of a spring system with a particle attached at its midpoint, specifically addressing the confusion regarding the direction of tension in the spring when the particle is displaced. When the particle is displaced towards point A, the side of the spring connected to A becomes compressed, while the side connected to B becomes extended. The tension in both sides of the spring acts to restore the system to equilibrium, with the correct equation of motion derived as Mg(a+x)/a - mg(a-x)/a - mn[dx/dt]= mx[d^2x/dt^2]. This highlights the importance of accurately applying the principles of tension and motion in spring systems.

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Say a spring is on a horizontal table, and the particle is initially at the midpoint of the spring in equilibrium, and then the particle is displaced to one side.

I have attached a diagram, let this side be more to A.

Then I am confused as to which direction the tension in both sides of the spring will act and why.

My thoughts would be along the lines of:
- displaced more towards A, this side of the spring is compressed, the tension will therefore act in the direction AB acting to re-extend the spring (restoring)
- and vice versa with spring B, which is extended and therefore will act to compress
- of course these thoughts are wrong as the tensions would both then be in the same direction.

Thanks a lot.

Also upon derviation I am using the time when the particle is intially displaced and so would conclude that the acceleration direction is in the direction BA
 

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binbagsss said:
My thoughts would be along the lines of:
- displaced more towards A, this side of the spring is compressed, the tension will therefore act in the direction AB acting to re-extend the spring (restoring)
- and vice versa with spring B, which is extended and therefore will act to compress

Sounds alright to me.


binbagsss said:
- of course these thoughts are wrong as the tensions would both then be in the same direction.

What is wrong with that?
 
cepheid said:
What is wrong with that?

(I have attached a diagram showing the correct diagram and equations.)

Not applying this correct has led me to derive my equation wrong:

- The question is that initially a string has a particle p attached to its midpoint and is stretched at 4a: AB=4a and natural length is 2a.
- The particle is then released from rest at C, where AC - 3a/2, establish the equation of motion.

My thoughts were that the part ‘A’ is compressed and so will naturally act to restore, acting in the opposite diagram than shown in the diagram, and B would act naturally to restore its extension also acting in this direction.

Leading me to dervie :

- Mg(a+x)/a - mg(a-x)/a - mn[dx/dt]= mx[d^2x/dt^2] as a pose to the solution attached.

(judging by the initial conditions to set up the system - system is moved to the right (hence acceleration this way) and resistance opposes this, tensions as above.)

Thanks a lot for any assistance !
 

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