Should I argue with my professor on this?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around concerns regarding the fairness of a midterm exam in a first-year chemistry course. Participants explore the alignment of the exam content with the material covered in class and the implications for students' grades and understanding of the subject. The scope includes student experiences, potential actions to address grievances, and differing perspectives on exam design and expectations in university settings.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses dissatisfaction with the exam content, stating that only a portion of the material covered in class was included, and questions were drawn from topics not discussed in the textbook.
  • Another participant suggests that if many students share the same concerns, they should collectively address the issue with the professor or administration.
  • A different viewpoint questions the notion of being "robbed" of educational value after taking the course, implying that the experience is already complete.
  • Some participants argue that university exams often assess broader understanding rather than direct recall of course material, suggesting that challenging questions may be intended to differentiate student performance.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of gathering statistical evidence regarding how many students struggled with specific questions before raising concerns.
  • Another advises the original poster to take time to consider their actions rather than responding impulsively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the fairness of the exam and the appropriate course of action. While some agree that the exam may have included unfair questions, others emphasize the nature of university exams and the need for broader understanding. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the best approach to address the concerns raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the exam's design may differ from high school expectations, with some advocating for a balance between basic understanding and challenging questions. There is also mention of grading on a curve, which may affect individual outcomes based on peer performance.

  • #91
flyingpig said:
For some reason, we are not allowed to get the exam back. But class average was 40%... and no scaling.

Wow...that's a *very* poor policy. I've never heard of such a thing. What's the professor's justification for not handing back the exams?
 
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  • #92
lisab said:
Wow...that's a *very* poor policy. I've never heard of such a thing. What's the professor's justification for not handing back the exams?

No one had the guts to ask...

Let's just say when our prof announced it, the atmosphere was very dark...

I should also mention that it has been a week after the midterm and it seems like the professor "moved on" because nothing of the midterm was ever spoken again.
 
  • #93
atyy said:
twofish-quant said:
Welcome to college. You should give your professor a gift and say good things about them in their student evaluation because they are doing what a college professor should do.

You are not in high school any more. The rules are different. Most of the material on college tests will not be material that is directly covered in the courses and this is a good thing. Learn to get used to this, because this is going to be the way things are for now on, not just in college but in life.

The good news is that it probably won't damage your grades. You'll get a grade that seems really bad, but because things are curved, if you answer three questions out of five and most other people answer two, then you'll end up with a good grade.
I hope MIT isn't like this.

It's not, or at least not anymore. Either that, or I've had an extremely easy course-load.
 
  • #94
lisab said:
Wow...that's a *very* poor policy. I've never heard of such a thing. What's the professor's justification for not handing back the exams?

i've been in classes that have had this policy. you were never given your exams back even at the end of the semester. one person asked why and the teacher said he had to keep them for records / grades or something like that. real vague answer. if you wanted to look at the exam you could go to office hours and view it there in their presence.
 
  • #95
flyingpig said:
No one had the guts to ask...

Let's just say when our prof announced it, the atmosphere was very dark...

I should also mention that it has been a week after the midterm and it seems like the professor "moved on" because nothing of the midterm was ever spoken again.

flyingpig said:
For some reason, we are not allowed to get the exam back. But class average was 40%... and no scaling.

sounds like it's time to take a visit to the deans office
 
  • #96
proof said:
i've been in classes that have had this policy. you were never given your exams back even at the end of the semester. one person asked why and the teacher said he had to keep them for records / grades or something like that. real vague answer. if you wanted to look at the exam you could go to office hours and view it there in their presence.
Well, if you can see the exams, I don't really see a problem as far as this is concerned.
 
  • #97
Ryker said:
Well, if you can see the exams, I don't really see a problem as far as this is concerned.

still a very strange policy...
 
  • #98
not to go into detail of effective teaching style,

OP, if I am in your situation I would want to think of a solution. Why can't you go talk to the professor? I don't mean go to argue or complain, but go talk to him/her politely and ask for advice on how to better approach this kind of exam. I would want to know the reasoning behind giving this kind of exam. And if you can't fix this midterm grade, then you will want to know how to do better next time right?
That's my opinion, but I am used to all my professors being very reasonable and helpful (and I am thankful for having them as my professors).
 
  • #99
proof said:
i've been in classes that have had this policy. you were never given your exams back even at the end of the semester. one person asked why and the teacher said he had to keep them for records / grades or something like that. real vague answer. if you wanted to look at the exam you could go to office hours and view it there in their presence.

yeah pretty much, except that the office hours are nearly incompatible with many people
 
  • #100
Then you make an appointment.
 

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