Should I study metric spaces topology before general topology?

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The discussion revolves around whether to study metric spaces topology before general topology, with participants sharing their recommendations and experiences regarding self-study materials and approaches. The scope includes theoretical considerations and personal study strategies in preparation for an upcoming topology course.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that metric space topology is essentially real analysis.
  • Another participant recommends starting with Kirkwood's Introduction to Real Analysis, followed by Baby Rudin and Royden, emphasizing the importance of a diverse set of resources for real analysis.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that if a student has the requisite knowledge, they could start with more advanced texts like Rudin's "Real and Complex Analysis," but if not, they should begin with simpler materials.
  • One participant shares their math background, indicating they have completed several calculus and linear algebra courses and are currently studying advanced analysis and group theory, expressing a desire to study topology in parallel.
  • A participant mentions a book titled "A Taste of Topology," praising its concise coverage of essential topics in topology.
  • Another participant reflects on their experience with general topology, noting its abstract nature and suggesting it may be preferable for those who enjoy less detail and more clarity.
  • One participant expresses interest in "A Taste of Topology" for its relevance to their studies, while also considering postponing general topology for now.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on whether to prioritize metric spaces or general topology, with no consensus reached on the best approach for self-study. Various recommendations for texts and study strategies are presented, reflecting a range of experiences and preferences.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of foundational knowledge in real analysis for understanding topology, while others highlight the potential for different learning paths based on individual backgrounds and preferences.

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Hello everyone. I want to study topology ahead of time (it begins next semester only) and I have two options: I could go straight for general topology (among the books I searched I found Munkres to be the one I felt most comfortable with) or go for a thorough study of metric spaces (in which case I'm open for book suggestions as well). I would like to know what are your recommendations in this case and what advice that you think could be useful.

Thanks for all.:)
 
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Fantini said:
Hello everyone. I want to study topology ahead of time (it begins next semester only) and I have two options: I could go straight for general topology (among the books I searched I found Munkres to be the one I felt most comfortable with) or go for a thorough study of metric spaces (in which case I'm open for book suggestions as well). I would like to know what are your recommendations in this case and what advice that you think could be useful.

Thanks for all.:)

Metric space topology I would say is just real analysis.
 
In that case what would you recommend for a self-study?
 
Fantini said:
In that case what would you recommend for a self-study?

Rudin or Royden.
 
By Rudin you mean the "Big" one, "Real and Complex Analysis"?
 
Real Analysis is, in my mind, too important a subject to be left to only one book. I'd start with Kirkwood's Introduction, then do Baby Rudin. I'd probably take a break, do some other math like complex analysis, and then come back and do Royden and Papa Rudin.

As for topology, have you considered Crossley's Essential Toplogy? I've found what I've read so far of that to be eminently readable, and a good intro.

Note: Baby Rudin = Principles, Papa Rudin = Real and Complex. Grandpapa Rudin = Functional, I suppose.
 
Fantini said:
By Rudin you mean the "Big" one, "Real and Complex Analysis"?

If you have the knowledge for it, yes. If not, start little and then go big.
 
I'll look for Crossley and Kirkwood books you mentioned, Ackbach. I believe it's best if I mention some of my math background:

I'm done with all calculus 1-3 (single, multivariable and differential equations); done linear algebra and advanced linear algebra (PhD level); did Analysis I about a year ago but it was horrible, I learned almost nothing. The teacher focus' was more on calculus than proofs and intuition, which resulted in a pass without the appropriate maturity and knowledge developed.

As of now, I'm starting Analysis II, Analysis in \( \mathbb{R}^n \) (or on Manifolds) and Groups and Representations. As for books used, in the bibliography for the first there's "Methods of Real Analysis" by Goldberg, the teacher in \( \mathbb{R}^n \) is using "Calculus on Manifolds" by Spivak, but has said he'll use at times "A Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry, volume 1" for a few things (I've also decided on taking Munkres' "Analysis on Manifolds" as a reference, studied differentiation using it before classes began and I enjoyed it), last but not least there were no recommendations for Groups, it was said that any book containing the basic ideas of groups would suffice, and I chose Rotman's "Introduction to the Theory of Groups" as my guide.

The idea of studying topology/metric spaces would be in parallel with those three.
 
The book on general topology that I liked the most is A taste of topology , it is pure gold!

Chapter 1 : Set Theory (Axiom of Choice / Zorn's Lemma, Cantor-Bernstein , Countability, etc.)
Chapter 2 : Metric Spaces
Chapter 3 : Topological Spaces
Chapter 4 : Systems of continuous functions ( Urysohn's Lemma, etc. )
Chapter 5 : Basic Algebraic Topology

And all of this in roughly 200 pages, plus beautiful exposition! :)
 
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All I can say, I remember well what general topology means. However, I also remember when topology was mixed with Banach spaces and Hausdorff spaces, just to approach Weirstrass calculus from general and more particular point of views. It was as obscure as it sounds, but it was correct, so I cannot object. I remember it was mixed, but I do not want to remember anything about it. (I still have nightmares about the exam. :p)

I vote for "General topology" if you like an abstract approach. More abstract, less details, more clear and easy.
 
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The book "A Taste in Topology" has interested me, primarily because it contains most topics I need for related areas. I hope it is as good as you speak. Thanks for the mention! As for the general topology, I think I won't have the time now. Besides, I'm not sure it would entirely help me in a very short time span, meaning I can postpone without problems for a while.
 

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