Should I switch to a different calculus textbook?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges faced by a participant using Spivak's Calculus textbook, particularly regarding the difficulty of exercises and the consideration of switching to a different textbook. The scope includes personal experiences with calculus learning, textbook comparisons, and strategies for tackling difficult problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with Spivak's exercises, feeling that they are too difficult and often leading to incorrect answers compared to the solutions provided.
  • Another participant suggests that if this is the user's first calculus book, they should consider trying an easier book first, noting that Spivak is known for its difficulty.
  • A participant who has experience with Spivak argues that struggling with problems is part of the learning process and that it can take significant time to understand the material.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of persistence, suggesting that giving up too quickly on problems is not beneficial and that seeking help or hints is preferable to simply reading solutions.
  • There is a mention that the difficulty of calculus will increase over time, and participants caution against the expectation that all problems will be easy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Spivak's Calculus is a challenging text and that persistence is important. However, there is disagreement on whether the user should switch to a different textbook, with some advocating for sticking with Spivak while others suggest finding an easier alternative.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the user's previous success in calculus may not prepare them for the level of difficulty presented in Spivak's exercises, indicating a potential gap in expectations versus reality in higher-level mathematics.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering different calculus textbooks, those struggling with advanced calculus concepts, and individuals interested in the learning process associated with challenging mathematical texts.

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I'm having major problems with spivak's claculus , i find the exercises very difficult , sometimes i think my answer is correct and the answer provided in the solution book is completely different , it's really putting me off
should i switch to another book?the problems are really hard you don't even know what you have to prove sometimes..
 
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Is this your first calculus book that you've read?? If it is, then you should absolutely try an easier book first.

Spivak is a very hard book. Almost everybody has problems with the exerices. You should absolutely try to post solutions here on PF, so we can help you with it.
 
micromass said:
Is this your first calculus book that you've read?? If it is, then you should absolutely try an easier book first.

Spivak is a very hard book. Almost everybody has problems with the exerices. You should absolutely try to post solutions here on PF, so we can help you with it.
No this is not my first calculus books , i used to be very good at calculus but the exercises can't even be compared to those on stivak's , i don't like to be "defeated" by exercises so i stick with em for like 30 minutes + until i completely lose hope then i look @solutions ,anyways i thinki I'm going to switch books
 
30 minutes is no where near long enough to give up on a problem. When I took a course on Spivak (given I'm not the brightest light bulb in the package) some problems I could easily chew on for a couple of days before it finally clicked in my head. It is the process of struggling, rereading, relearning, and connecting dots that Spivak forces you to do that makes his Calculus book a good book.
 
Andrax said:
i don't like to be "defeated" by exercises

That's not a good attitude, but it is understandable. I think most people in university are surprised how more difficult it is than high school. This may cause you to be frustrated and to lose hope.

However, you should know that, although Spivak is quite difficult, there are more difficult books out there. Things will not remain as easy as you found calculus. The difficulty level will increase significantly throughout the years. And eventually, it will be so difficult that you will be solving unsolved problems. It's a steep road, and this might be frustrating.

But giving up and reading the solutions will truly get you nowhere. You really don't learn anything that way. So you should absolutely stop reading the solutions. Of course, if you are really stuck, then you can always ask for help here or ask for hints. This is way better than just reading the solution.

And 30 minutes really is not very long. Later on in your education, you will meet problems that will take you days. This is not uncommon. So don't feel "stupid" if you can't solve anything in 30 minutes.
 
i second the consensus. try to enjoy the work, and then hang in there much longer than 30 minutes. the longest i ever spent on a problem was maybe 5 years.
 

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