Should I Take Diff. Eq's, Linear Algebra, and Physics Waves in One Quarter?

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The discussion revolves around the advisability of taking Differential Equations, Linear Algebra, and Physics Waves with Lab in a single quarter at a quarter-based college. Participants share their experiences and opinions regarding the difficulty and workload of these courses, as well as their relevance to different majors.

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  • Some participants suggest that the Physics Waves course is relatively easy compared to other physics courses, indicating that the proposed schedule might be manageable.
  • Others express concern about the lack of a prerequisite for Linear Algebra before Differential Equations, questioning the complexity of the latter course.
  • A participant mentions that their experience with the Physics Waves class was positive, describing it as medium difficulty and beneficial for their major.
  • Some participants argue that the Physics Waves class may not be as useful for physics majors, while others assert that it is a common requirement in physics programs.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of the Physics Waves course for Electrical Engineering majors, with some suggesting it will be helpful due to its focus on applications.
  • Concerns are raised about assuming that one institution's curriculum reflects the general structure of physics education across all universities.

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Participants express a mix of opinions regarding the difficulty and relevance of the proposed courses. While some agree that the workload is manageable, others disagree on the utility of the Physics Waves class for physics majors, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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Some participants reference their personal experiences and institutional requirements, which may not be universally applicable. There are also mentions of differing educational backgrounds and the impact of personal circumstances on course load decisions.

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Students considering similar course loads in quarter-based systems, particularly those majoring in physics or engineering, may find the insights shared in this discussion relevant.

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I currently attend a quarter based college in Washington. My adviser suggested taking Diff. Eq's, Linear Algebra, and Physics Waves and Lab in one quarter. Would this be a good idea or not? I am smart, but not a Sheldon Cooper lol. Any advice would be much appreciated!
 
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I did my undergrad at a quarter based school. There the waves quarter of physics was by far the easiest one, so that course load might not be as hard as it sounds.

Are you taking a fourth class on top of that? Four was the max allowed for me, and whenever I anticipated hard classes I would take 3 instead.
 
I'm assuming you typically do 3-4 classes per quarter. If those are the only ones you are taking, I think it's a perfectly reasonable schedule. You will find the diff eq's class supports the waves class very nicely. Linear algebra is not that difficult, if you don't struggle too much with thinking abstractly.
 
Why do you think your advisor is wrong? Maybe that will help us answer.
 
It seems strange to me that Linear Algebra is not a pre-req for diffy eqs. You can't get too far into the subject without systems of equations, this makes me think the course is rather simple.

I think the workload for that schedule is fine.
 
GoldenRatio235 said:
I currently attend a quarter based college in Washington. My adviser suggested taking Diff. Eq's, Linear Algebra, and Physics Waves and Lab in one quarter. Would this be a good idea or not? I am smart, but not a Sheldon Cooper lol. Any advice would be much appreciated!

I've never heard of a "Physics Waves" class...is that like physics for nonmajors? Linear Algebra and DiffyQ were two of my favorite classes ever, they are about medium difficulty. This is definitely doable. Also, please don't connect Big Bang Theory with real science...
 
DimReg said:
I did my undergrad at a quarter based school. There the waves quarter of physics was by far the easiest one, so that course load might not be as hard as it sounds.

Are you taking a fourth class on top of that? Four was the max allowed for me, and whenever I anticipated hard classes I would take 3 instead.

My apologies for the late response. Finals are coming up and I forgot I posted this lol. I am keeping my classes at 3 per quarter. I take care of my kids during the day, so all my studying is done evening and night. I appreciate the advice.
 
LastOneStanding said:
I'm assuming you typically do 3-4 classes per quarter. If those are the only ones you are taking, I think it's a perfectly reasonable schedule. You will find the diff eq's class supports the waves class very nicely. Linear algebra is not that difficult, if you don't struggle too much with thinking abstractly.

My apologies for the late reply. I am keeping at 3 classes per quarter only because I take care of my kids during the day. So far I have had no issues with math. This is my projected quarter for Spring of next year. I was in the military for 11.5 years and had to start at Math 95 (one below precalc 1). I am completing precalc 2 this Wednesday. So far, my classes have been extremely easy and I have been able to maintain a great GPA. I didn't want to assume that because I am having an easy time in my classes now that it will remain that way. So, I figured I would ask individuals with experience!
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Why do you think your advisor is wrong? Maybe that will help us answer.

Thanks for the response and sorry for the delay! My wife had a lot of issues with her student advisers. Seeing her experiences, I like to verify the advice I get from them. Also, it is the Trust but Verify mentality I gained in the military lol.
 
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retro10x said:
It seems strange to me that Linear Algebra is not a pre-req for diffy eqs. You can't get too far into the subject without systems of equations, this makes me think the course is rather simple.

I think the workload for that schedule is fine.

I appreciate the advice. I am only going to community college right now, so you might be correct in assuming it is easy compared to other universities. My CC requires that Calc 2 be complete prior to Linear Algebra.
 
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Hercuflea said:
I've never heard of a "Physics Waves" class...is that like physics for nonmajors? Linear Algebra and DiffyQ were two of my favorite classes ever, they are about medium difficulty. This is definitely doable. Also, please don't connect Big Bang Theory with real science...

Here is the course description for Physics Waves:

Explores electromagnetic waves, the mechanics of oscillatory motion, optics, waves in matter, and experiments in these topics for physical science and engineering majors.

I appreciate the advice. And until now the only thing I connected with real science was the Big Bang Theory and deity formerly known as God...
 
  • #12
GoldenRatio235 said:
Here is the course description for Physics Waves:

Explores electromagnetic waves, the mechanics of oscillatory motion, optics, waves in matter, and experiments in these topics for physical science and engineering majors.

I appreciate the advice. And until now the only thing I connected with real science was the Big Bang Theory and deity formerly known as God...

Ok...would you mind telling us your major? I don't think the Physics Waves class will help you much if you are a physics major. However, if you are not a physics major, and you have free electives to fill, then go ahead and take it.
 
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Hercuflea said:
Ok...would you mind telling us your major? I don't think the Physics Waves class will help you much if you are a physics major. However, if you are not a physics major, and you have free electives to fill, then go ahead and take it.

How exactly would the Waves class not be useful for a physics major? Also, this is a mandatory introductory class/topic for every university. Oscillations and waves will be encountered in future classes.
 
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Hercuflea said:
Ok...would you mind telling us your major? I don't think the Physics Waves class will help you much if you are a physics major. However, if you are not a physics major, and you have free electives to fill, then go ahead and take it.

I reiterate Mmm_Pasta: why on Earth would this not be helpful for a physics major? This is an extremely common first or second year mandatory class in physics programs.
 
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Hercuflea said:
Ok...would you mind telling us your major? I don't think the Physics Waves class will help you much if you are a physics major. However, if you are not a physics major, and you have free electives to fill, then go ahead and take it.

I have declared Electrical Engineering. Physics Waves is a prerequisite for University of Washington's College of EE.
 
  • #16
At my school we learn about waves, oscillations, and simple harmonic motion in the normal "Calc based Physics 1/2" sequence. This class sounds like a class for non-physics majors which deals mostly with further applications. Since he said he's an EE major then yeah it will probably help him out since he will be dealing with mainly applications, but a Physics major should have learned about waves in the usual sequence...
 
  • #17
Hercuflea said:
At my school we learn about waves, oscillations, and simple harmonic motion in the normal "Calc based Physics 1/2" sequence. This class sounds like a class for non-physics majors which deals mostly with further applications. Since he said he's an EE major then yeah it will probably help him out since he will be dealing with mainly applications, but a Physics major should have learned about waves in the usual sequence...

So, basically you're taking a data point of one (your own university) and assuming that's how every university functions? A class focusing on oscillations and waves in more detail than a unit in a larger course might do is on the syllabus (required or recommended) in many physics departments—certainly every university I've ever studied/worked at, which is a fair few, and clearly the institutions of some other participants in this thread.

Perhaps you should gain some experience beyond a single institution before pontificating about what is and is not "the usual sequence".
 
  • #18
retro10x said:
It seems strange to me that Linear Algebra is not a pre-req for diffy eqs. You can't get too far into the subject without systems of equations, this makes me think the course is rather simple.

I think the workload for that schedule is fine.

Most intro ODE courses are cookbooks. There's generally no need to actually understand anything that's going on. The OP can rest assured that s/he will do fine without linear algebra and will retain absolutely nothing from the course after its conclusion.
 
  • #19
Number Nine said:
Most intro ODE courses are cookbooks. There's generally no need to actually understand anything that's going on. The OP can rest assured that s/he will do fine without linear algebra and will retain absolutely nothing from the course after its conclusion.

I enjoy your honesty lol, thanks.
 
  • #20
GoldenRatio235 said:
I enjoy your honesty lol, thanks.

That's not to say that linear algebra won't help you. Systems of linear equations will come much more easily to you if you can some experience with e.g. eigenvectors. Really, linear equations are much more enjoyable when you understand the notion of a vector space.
 
  • #21
Number Nine said:
That's not to say that linear algebra won't help you. Systems of linear equations will come much more easily to you if you can some experience with e.g. eigenvectors. Really, linear equations are much more enjoyable when you understand the notion of a vector space.

By no means did I interpret it that way:) Understanding any derivation makes life a lot easier whether you use it or not. I absolutely love math, so I am looking forward to taking it.
 

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