Should I take modern(abstract) algebra or topology first?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision of whether to take a modern algebra or topology course first, particularly for someone with a background in physics and limited higher mathematics experience. Participants explore the implications of each choice and suggest preparatory resources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the choice between modern algebra and topology is not critical, as undergraduate classes in both subjects are distinct.
  • Another participant argues from a physics perspective that topology may be more useful than abstract algebra, especially for someone who enjoys set theory and geometry.
  • There is a recommendation to read Munkres' topology book for a head start in topology.
  • One participant proposes that studying more linear algebra could be beneficial, noting its importance in both mathematics and physics.
  • Alternative book suggestions for topology include Willard's book and other Dover topology books, which are noted to be challenging but potentially valuable.
  • It is mentioned that familiarity with analysis, such as through Spivak's book, could enhance understanding of topology.
  • A later reply indicates a preference for taking topology first, given that the order of courses does not seem to matter significantly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the relative importance and utility of modern algebra versus topology, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding which course to take first.

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Some participants highlight the independence of algebra and topology, suggesting that prior knowledge in one does not necessarily dictate the order of study for the other. There are also varying levels of familiarity with preparatory materials and the perceived difficulty of recommended texts.

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Individuals considering advanced mathematics courses, particularly those with a background in physics or related fields, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi, I am trying to decide whether I should take a modern algebra or topology course next semester. I have a bachelor's in physics but I have not taken very many higher math classes. This is a list of the relevant classes I have taken.

Calculus (up through partial differential equations)
elementary linear algebra (not very theoretical)
geometry (loaded with proofs, senior class)
Set theory and logic

Set theory and logic, and geometry were two of my favorite class in college, and I did very well in geometry and would have done very well in set theory and logic if I had not been taking so many classes then. I am going to apply for a master's/phd in math but I need to take several classes by correspondence before I do so. Right now I could either take modern algebra or topology first, but I am not really sure which one to take first. If it is any help I am going to take classes through UCR (University of California, Riverside).

Also if anyone has a good suggestion on a book that will help me to get a head start I would appreciate the suggestion. I have been studying my calculus book from college the last couple of months but want to review more of the higher math stuff. A few books I have found are.

Set Theory and Logic by Robert R. Stoll
Elements of Logic via Numbers and Sets by Johnson (Springer Undergraduate Mathematics Series)
Introductory Mathematics: Algebra and Analysis by Geoffrey C. Smith

I of course have heard about Spivok's Calculus and "Baby Rudin" but I thought I would put those off a couple of months.
 
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It doesn't really matter very much. Undergraduate classes in topology and algebra are usually very distinct, so choose whatever you like.

From a physics point of view, take topology. It will be much more useful than abstract algebra.
If you like set theory and geometry, then you'll adore topology!

For a head start: read Munkres' topology book.
 
Maybe you should study more linear algebra? It's very important to both mathematics and physics. There's the book by Shilov. For topology a much cheaper book than Munkres is Willard, though it is quite challenging, or some of the other Dover topology books, which are apparently very good. Also there's no reason not to read a book like Spivak right now, which should be good preparation for higher mathematics, particularly analysis, geometry and topology. My opinion is that topology makes much more sense if you know some analysis, such as in Spivak. Like micromass said, algebra and (general) topology are independent.
 
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Thanks, that really helps me. I will probably take topology first if the order doesn't really matter.
 

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