Should I use a potentiometer or Quadrotor encoder?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the choice between using a potentiometer and a quadrotor encoder for measuring angles in a custom-built servo application. Participants explore the specifications and requirements for the encoder, including size, weight, accuracy, and durability, while considering the implications of noise and friction in their choices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the specifications for the encoder, emphasizing the need for low friction, low moment of inertia, high speed, and durability against mechanical vibration.
  • Another participant suggests avoiding resistive potentiometers due to noise and friction issues, recommending a rotary encoder with an optical disk as a better solution.
  • Specific examples of optical encoders, such as the AVAGO HEDS-9040#J00, are provided, highlighting their suitability for miniature applications.
  • A participant mentions the necessity of knowing the zero position but indicates that a simple calibration method can be used, negating the need for an absolute sensor.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the HEDS-9040/9140 series encoders, which include multiple channels that may eliminate the need for an additional switch for zero location.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of potentiometers versus quadrotor encoders, with some advocating for optical encoders while others acknowledge the potential use of resistive pots despite their drawbacks. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best choice for the specific application.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the size and weight of the encoders, as well as the accuracy requirements, which may affect the selection process. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for calibration methods that could influence the choice of sensor.

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Specifications:
Measuring angle from -90 to + 90 degs.
Low friction
Low moment of inertia
Requires high speed
Accuracy about 1° degree.
Needs to be durable, handle mechanical vibration

I use a dc motor as an actuator, this is a custom built servo. This is a very small device, and the encoder must be low in weight, just several grams

Main problems:
Potentiometer: Noise, high friction
Simple ADC reading, no programming required nor are there any interrupts

Quadrotor encoder:
High CPR encoders are typically made for large motors, too big and clunky. They are also more complicated as they include interrupts
No friction, no noise

What should I generally go for, what are people using in servomotors for small but accurate robotics

I'm having trouble finding either, that fit the space requirements and accuracy requirements(at least 360 CPR)
 
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Avoid a resistive pot if possible. Do you need to know where zero is ?
A rotary encoder with an optical disk will probably be your best minature low mass integral solution.
An example would be the AVAGO; HEDS-9040#J00 with an optical code disk.
http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/678/V02-1132EN_DS_HEDS-9x40_2014-03-170-1130980.pdf

Start here to see an example of possibilities: https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/rotary-encoders/7967874/
Essential accessories show optical code disks, with through holes, that will mount directly on a shaft.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HEDS-9040-J00-Optical-Incremental-Encoder-30000rpm-Digital-2000-Count-Multi-Qty/302531789915?hash=item46704cc45b:m:mDIJZ1jmIVQhLHIYKJaX6ww
 
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Baluncore said:
Avoid a resistive pot if possible. Do you need to know where zero is ?
A rotary encoder with an optical disk will probably be your best minature low mass integral solution.
An example would be the AVAGO; HEDS-9040#J00 with an optical code disk.
http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/678/V02-1132EN_DS_HEDS-9x40_2014-03-170-1130980.pdf

Start here to see an example of possibilities: https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/rotary-encoders/7967874/
Essential accessories show optical code disks, with through holes, that will mount directly on a shaft.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HEDS-9040-J00-Optical-Incremental-Encoder-30000rpm-Digital-2000-Count-Multi-Qty/302531789915?hash=item46704cc45b:m:mDIJZ1jmIVQhLHIYKJaX6ww
Thanks.

I've been weary of resistive pots, its simply that they are ubiquitous.

I do need a zero location, however I use a simple calibration on startup methods, where the motor drives the mechanism to a certain start point, all the way to the end, where a switch might be located. So an absolute sensor is not required. Dead reckoning is enough.
 
Jarfi said:
I do need a zero location, however I use a simple calibration on startup methods, where the motor drives the mechanism to a certain start point, all the way to the end, where a switch might be located.
You do not need the switch with the HEDS-9040/9140 series, since it has three channels, two are phases in quadrature, the other gives one index pulse per revolution.
 

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