Should Integration by Parts Be Used on Functions Like \( x \cdot y(x) \)?

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The discussion revolves around finding the antiderivative of a function that includes a product of a variable \( x \) and another function \( y(x) \), specifically considering the application of integration techniques such as the reverse power rule and integration by parts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore whether the reverse power rule should be applied to both \( x \) and \( y(x) \) when taking the antiderivative. There are attempts to clarify the use of integration by parts and its necessity in certain cases.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested trying specific examples to test the application of the proposed methods. Others have introduced the concept of integration by parts as a potential approach, while questions remain about when it is necessary to use this technique.

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There is a mention of specific examples and constraints regarding the functions being integrated, as well as the implications of applying different integration techniques. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct application of integration rules in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



I want to take an antiderivative of a function with respect to x. But in addition the function includes a term y (x) that is a function of x itself. Do I have to apply the reverse power rule also to y(x) also? The integral can be seen as an indefinite.

Homework Equations



A=\int x*y(x)*dx

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I should just apply the reverse power rule to x. So:

A= \frac{x^{2}}{2}*y(x) + C
 
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Fluidman117 said:

Homework Statement



I want to take an antiderivative of a function with respect to x. But in addition the function includes a term y (x) that is a function of x itself. Do I have to apply the reverse power rule also to y(x) also? The integral can be seen as an indefinite.

Homework Equations



A=\int x*y(x)*dx

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I should just apply the reverse power rule to x. So:

A= \frac{x^{2}}{2}*y(x) + C

You can answer your own question---and that is the best way to learn! Just try it out on some examples. What do you get if you use your formula on the function ##y(x) = x^2##? What happens if you use your formula on ##y(x) = 1/x^2##? Are you getting correct results?
 
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What you are looking for is something called integration by parts.
 
Okay, then I believe I was mistaken. It seems that I also need to apply the reverse power rule to ##y(x)##.
So an example:
##y(x)=2*x##

A=\int^{2}_{1} x*y(x)*dx=\int^{2}_{1} x*2*x*dx
A=\left|2\frac{x^{3}}{3}\right|^{2}_{1}=4.6667

Is this correct?

I also looked up the integration by parts and it seems that in the above example it was possible to do without the integration by parts. But can someone give a good example why and when is it necessary to turn to the integration by parts technique?
 
Fluidman117 said:
But can someone give a good example why and when is it necessary to turn to the integration by parts technique?

Try \displaystyle\int_0^\pi x \sin x\,dx or \displaystyle\int_0^1 x e^{-x}\,dx.
 

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