Should we consider GPE in the vertical case of SHM?

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The discussion revolves around whether gravitational potential energy (GPE) should be considered in the context of simple harmonic motion (SHM) when the system is oriented vertically, as opposed to horizontally where only kinetic energy (KE) and elastic potential energy (EPE) are typically considered.

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  • Some participants argue that GPE should be considered in vertical SHM due to the unidirectional nature of gravity.
  • Others contend that GPE is not necessary for the analysis, stating that while the equilibrium length of a spring increases when a mass is hanging vertically, the period of oscillation remains unaffected and depends solely on mass and spring constant.
  • A participant presents a mathematical formulation showing that GPE cancels out in the equations of motion for vertical SHM, suggesting that the angular frequency remains the same as in the absence of gravity.
  • Another participant reiterates the mathematical argument, providing a detailed derivation of the equations of motion for a mass-spring system in a gravitational field.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of considering GPE in vertical SHM, with no consensus reached on the matter.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of SHM and the effects of gravity, as well as the mathematical treatment of the equations involved. Some participants reference external resources for further clarification.

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For the horizontal case of SHM, we only need to consider KE and EPE. But should we also take GPE into consideration when we are dealing with a vertical case?
 
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Yes, you should.
Gravity action is unidirectional.
 
Jason Ko said:
For the horizontal case of SHM, we only need to consider KE and EPE. But should we also take GPE into consideration when we are dealing with a vertical case?
Not necessarily. The equilibrium length of a spring will increase if a mass is hanging vertically. But, the period of oscillation is unaffected. It depends only on the mass and the spring constant.

If you do the maths, you'll see where the GPE cancels out.

Or, simply Google for SHM mass spring system. There's a good explanation on phys.libretexts.org.
 
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PeroK said:
Not necessarily. The equilibrium length of a spring will increase if a mass is hanging vertically. But, the period of oscillation is unaffected. It depends only on the mass and the spring constant.

If you do the maths, you'll see where the GPE cancels out.

Or, simply Google for SHM mass spring system. There's a good explanation on phys.libretexts.org.
Thks a lot
 
It's also seen easily with math. Let ##x=0## be the position, where the spring is relaxed and the ##x## axis pointing downward (in direction of ##\vec{g}##). Then the equation of motion reads
$$m \ddot{x}=-D x + m g$$
or
$$\ddot{x} + \omega^2 x = g, \quad \omega=\sqrt{D/m}.$$
The general solution of this linear differential equation is given as one special solution of the equation + the general solution of the homogeneous equation, i.e., with setting the right-hand side to 0.

A special solution of the inhomogeneous equation is obviously given for the case that the mass stays at rest, i.e., for ##x=x_0=\text{const}##. This leads to ##x_0=g/\omega^2 = m g/D##. That's easy to understand: It's the elongation of the spring such that the restoring force of the spring compensates the gravitational force, i.e., ##D x_0=mg##.

The general solution for the homogeneous equation is given by
$$x_{\text{hom}}(t)=C_1 \cos(\omega t) + C_2 \sin(\omega t).$$
So the general solution of full equation of motion is
$$x(t)=C_1 \cos(\omega t) + C_2 \sin(\omega t) + x_0,$$
i.e., you have a harmonic oscillator around the equilibrium position, ##x_0##, with the same angular frequency as if there were no gravitation, as already stated above.
 

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