Show how gravitational potential varies between the earth and the moon

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The discussion revolves around the variation of gravitational potential between the Earth and the Moon, specifically focusing on the scalar nature of gravitational potential and how it combines from two different masses. Participants are exploring the implications of gravitational potential being negative and how it behaves along the line connecting the two celestial bodies.

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  • Participants discuss the concept of gravitational potential as a scalar quantity and question how to interpret the summation of potentials from both the Earth and the Moon. There is confusion regarding the idea of a 'peak' in gravitational potential and how negative values interact when summed.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the nature of gravitational potential. Some guidance has been offered about the behavior of gravitational potential and its negative values, but there remains uncertainty about the implications of these concepts.

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Participants are grappling with the mark scheme's wording and the implications of gravitational potential being a scalar quantity. There is an ongoing examination of how gravitational influences from both the Earth and the Moon interact at various points in space.

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gravitational potential at surface of the Earth = -63MJkg-1
gravitational potential at surface of the moon = -2MJkg-1The attempt at a solution

I thought gravitational potential was a scalar, so in which case, you would surely just add up the potential due from both masses at any point along the line between them to show how the 'resultant' potential varies between them

apparently, that isn't the case, and I suppose that does make sense, because the two masses are pulling in opposite direction. Gravitational potential is the amount of energy you would have to put into escape from the gravitational influence of a particular mass, and if you already have a force 'assisting' you (gravity due from another mass on the other side of you), then you don't require as much energy. Is this way of thinking right?

but I'm really puzzled by the mark scheme:

''Gravitational potential is a scalar quantity. The total potential at any point along a line joining the Earth and Moon is the sum of the potentials produced by the Earth and Moon separately''

doesn't ''sum of'' means you add up the two quantities. So in which case, how would you get a 'peak' in gravitational potential somewhere between the Earth and the moon whereby the gravitational potential is at its least negative?

if you add a negative value to a negative value, you get even larger negative value, so I'm slightly confuse
 
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The potential is a scalar, but not constant, at any point it is inversely proportional to the distance from its source. It is always negative, approaching zero infinitely far away.
 
question dude said:
I thought gravitational potential was a scalar, so in which case, you would surely just add up the potential due from both masses at any point along the line between them to show how the 'resultant' potential varies between them
Yep. That's correct.

question dude said:
doesn't ''sum of'' means you add up the two quantities. So in which case, how would you get a 'peak' in gravitational potential somewhere between the Earth and the moon whereby the gravitational potential is at its least negative?

if you add a negative value to a negative value, you get even larger negative value, so I'm slightly confuse
Yes. So the gravitational potential is going to be negative. What is wrong with having a 'peak' that is still less than zero?
 
BruceW said:
Yep. That's correct.


Yes. So the gravitational potential is going to be negative. What is wrong with having a 'peak' that is still less than zero?

so at the point where the two masses' gravitational field strength cancel, say if the gravitatiional potential due from one mass was -60MJkg-1 and the gravitational potential due from the other mass is -40MJkg-1, the resultant potential at this point would be -100MJkg-1?
 
yeah, that's it. I haven't worked out the values for this specific problem, but, yes, that is the right idea.
 

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