Show subspace of normed vector is closed under sup norm.

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The discussion revolves around the topic of normed vector spaces, specifically focusing on the subspace \( c_0 \) and its closure properties under the supremum norm. The original poster is attempting to demonstrate that a limit of a converging sequence in \( c_0 \) remains within \( c_0 \), but is struggling with the formal proof involving the norm.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of convergence and the implications for sequences in \( c_0 \). There is a discussion about using the triangle inequality to manipulate terms in the proof. Questions arise regarding the application of the supremum norm and the nature of the sequences involved.

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Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for approaching the proof, including the use of the triangle inequality and considerations for the supremum norm. However, there remains uncertainty about how to fully integrate these concepts into a coherent argument. Multiple interpretations of the sequences and their properties are being explored.

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There is a mention of specific sequences and their convergence properties, as well as a need for clarity on the definitions and assumptions related to the sequences in \( c_0 \). The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the formal requirements of the proof.

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hey,

I'm having some trouble with this question,

For part a) I know that in order for c_0 to be closed every sequence in c_0 must converge to a limit in c_0 but I am having trouble actually showing that formally with the use of the norm given.

Say x_n is a sequence in c_0 which converges to x then for any ε>0 there exists an N such that whenever n>N |x_n - x| < ε.

So that's just the definition for the limit of a sequence, but I'm having trouble how to use this to show that the limit x is in c_0 for every x_n in c_0.

Would anyone be able to help me out?

Thanks in advance
 
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So, you wish to show that x=(x^0,x^1,x^2,x^3,...)\in c_0. Take \varepsilon&gt;0. You'll need to find an N>0 such that for all n>N holds that |x^n|&lt;\varepsilon.

So, what you need to do is make |x^n| smaller than something that is smaller than \varepsilon. What could you make |x^n| smaller as? Hint: use the triangle inequality to introduce the x_k.
 
Oh so using the trick where you add 0,

|x_n|=|x_n - x_k + x_k|≤ |x_n - x_k|+|x_k|

Then for x_k in c_0,

For ε>0 there is an N > 0 such that for all n>N, |x_k| <ε/4

So

|x_n - x_k|+|x_k| < |x_n - x_k|+ε/4

Then |x_n - x_k| will definitely be smaller then ε so

|x_n - x_k|+ε/4 < ε


I am having trouble seeing where the sup norm comes in,

Have I missed something?
 
Does that look ok?

That shows that x_n is Cauchy, since you have

||x_n - x_k|| < 3e/4 < e

for n,k > N = max(N_n, N_K)
 
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Do you mean by x= \{ x_1,x_2,..\} that x_1 is a sequence of itself?

So for example x_1 (n) = 0.5^n, n =1, 2, 3,...
x_2(n) = 0.4^n, n =1, 2, 3,...

Or is x just ONE sequence?
 

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