Show that a wave function fits the Schrödinger's equation. (Harmonic oscillator)

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a specific wave function, representing the ground state of a harmonic oscillator, satisfies Schrödinger's equation. Participants explore the implications of deriving a new wave function from the ground state and its associated energy levels.

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the wave function and the subsequent application to Schrödinger's equation. There are questions about the correctness of the mathematical steps and the interpretation of energy levels. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their calculations and the physical meaning behind the results.

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Hints have been provided to guide participants in refining their approach to the problem. Some participants are exploring different interpretations of the energy equation and how to eliminate variables to find a solution. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the mathematical relationships involved.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the treatment of variables in the energy equation and the constraints imposed by the harmonic oscillator model. Participants are also navigating the challenges of applying theoretical concepts to specific mathematical forms.

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Homework Statement


The wave function [tex]\psi_0 (x) = A e^{- \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}}[/tex]
represents the ground-state of a harmonic oscillator. (a) Show that [tex]\psi_1 (x) = L \dfrac{d}{dx} \psi_0 (x)[/tex] is also a solution of Schrödinger's equation. (b) What is the energy of this new state? (c) From a look at the nodes of this wave function, how would you classify this excited state?

Homework Equations



[tex]E_n = (n + 1/2) \hbar \omega[/tex]

SE:
[tex]-\frac{\hbar ^2}{2m} \dfrac{\partial}{\partial x} \psi + \frac{1}{2} m \omega ^2 \psi = E \psi[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\dfrac{\partial}{\partial x} \psi_0 = -\dfrac{xA}{L^2} e^{- \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}}[/tex]

[tex]\dfrac{\partial}{\partial x} \psi_1 = - \dfrac{A}{L} e^{- \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}} + \dfrac{x^2A}{L^3} e^{- \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}}[/tex]

[tex]\dfrac{\partial ^2}{\partial x^2} \psi_1 = (\dfrac{xA}{L^3} \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}} + \dfrac{2xA}{L^3} \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}} - \dfrac{x^3A}{L^5} \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}})e^{- \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}}[/tex]

[tex]\dfrac{\partial ^2}{\partial x^2} \psi_1 = (\dfrac{3xA}{L^3} \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}} - \dfrac{x^3A}{L^5} \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}})e^{- \dfrac{x^2}{2L^2}}[/tex]
Put into SE this gives me:
[tex]-\dfrac{\hbar ^2}{2m} (\dfrac{x^2}{L^4} - \dfrac{3}{L^2}) + \frac{1}{2} m \omega ^2 = E[/tex]
This is where I'm not getting any further. I just can't see how this is supposed to match the energy state of a harmonic oscillator. Am I thinking completely wrong, have I done the maths wrong. Or both? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated! (First time trying to post my LaTeX work on a forum, so be forgiving!)
 
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[STRIKE]Wait with reading this, this is total gibberish :)[/STRIKE]
Okay, I think my chain of thoughts should be understandable now.
 
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Okay, two hints:

Hint #1:
[tex] -\dfrac{\hbar ^2}{2m} (\dfrac{x^2}{L^4} - \dfrac{3}{L^2}) + \frac{1}{2} m \omega ^2 = E[/tex]
should actually be
[tex] -\dfrac{\hbar ^2}{2m} (\dfrac{x^2}{L^4} - \dfrac{3}{L^2}) + \frac{1}{2} m \omega ^2 x^2 = E[/tex]

Hint #2
Should energy have an x dependence? In other words, you know this has to satisfy the SE, so what can you do that will make it do that?
 
Yeah, I've tried to set x=0 which gives me [tex]E_1= 3/2 \dfrac{\hbar ^2}{2mL^2}[/tex] which i don't find satisfy the [tex]E_1 = 3/2 \hbar \omega[/tex].
And on my paper i ofcourse had the x^2 part of the portential.
 
You can't just set x=0, you have to get rid of it in another way. Look at the text below if you get super stuck.

You have to collect the x^2 terms and use the constraint of the constants to take away the x^2 terms. You will be able to find out what L^2 is, and it will give you the E1 energy level.
 
I'm afraid I'm completely stuck even with the hint! I cannot find any example of anything similar to this in my book. And since you were hiding that hint, I can only assume it's supposed to be a rather short and easy step in the proof.
 
Okay here's how it goes:

[tex] -\dfrac{\hbar ^2}{2m} (\dfrac{x^2}{L^4} - \dfrac{3}{L^2}) + \frac{1}{2} m \omega ^2 x^2 = E[/tex]

collect the x^2 terms

[tex] x^2(-\dfrac{\hbar ^2}{2mL^4}+\frac{1}{2} m \omega ^2) + \dfrac{3}{L^2}\dfrac{\hbar ^2}{2m} = E[/tex]

set the constants multiplying the x^2 to 0 so that the x^2 term goes away
[tex] -\dfrac{\hbar ^2}{2mL^4}+\frac{1}{2} m \omega ^2 = 0[/tex]

Solve for L^2 and plug it back into the new SE you will get the [itex]3/2 \hbar \omega[/itex] you are looking for.
 
Thanks a bunch! I see in retrospect that I would've never figured this out. I hope that's not a bad sign for me as a student of physics :)
 

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